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    Lavender Brick Society —Edward Welsh
   I've been kicking an idea around for a while, and I wanted to put it out to the community: I'd like to start an organization for lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered (LGBT) AFOLs. A lavender brick society, if you like. It's seemed to me that (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) !! 
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Allister McLaren
     (...) Pardon my ignorance, but what exactly does sexual preference have to do with building with Lego? I always saw it as a fairly asexual enterprise. Am I missing a whole field of exploration here? Allister (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —James Trobaugh
      (...) I agree. I've always found the lack of sexual and sexuality topics here on LUGNET (and the LEGO hobby as a whole) refreshing. I get enough of that from the media and other places in my life, it's nice to get a break from it and just enjoy the (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Mike Kollross
      (...) I'm from the same mind set. LUGNET is about LEGO. Not cooking and LEGO, not water skiing and LEGO. Just LEGO. Why is it necessary to discuss sexual orientation and how it relates to LEGO here on LUGNET? The LUGNET community is a family affair (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
       Now there's a topic worthy of off-topic.debate! (...) I agree! Parents should feel comfortable, knowing that no topics contained herein will harm their children. It is a very serious shame that many parents are so confused aout right and wrong and (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —John Neal
        (...) Don't try and turn this into a homophobic issue. Topics WRT to sex are inappropriate for a family-safe site like LUGNET (save off-topic.debate) (...) You can respect the desires of some parents who don't wish their children exposed to these (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Scott Arthur
         (...) John, I have mixed views on this but I'm pretty sure Ed is a nice guy who would not want to offend anyone and he would make sure all his posts fell within the ToS. So before we talk about what is "family-safe", why not cancel your posts which (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Tim Courtney
         (...) 1999? Five years ago?? You have got to be kidding. Looks like you dug pretty deep for this one, Scott. Why does it seem you're able to so readily present examples such as this against the likes of John, Lar, [insert person you clash with (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Lee Meyer
         (...) If intolerance is supposed to be a criteria for cancelling posts, most of the homosexualists' posts would also have to be pulled off as well. It's rather hypocritical to be tolerant (read 'approving') of only those people who are tolerant of (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Larry Pieniazek
          (...) What does this term mean? (...) Just to be clear, cancelling posts without prior request by the author is exceedingly rare here (it has happened one time in the entire history of the site and that was to avoid legal action and was done when (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Christopher L. Weeks
         (...) If I get you, you're saying that people can only be considered "tolerant" when they are willing to endure any level of abuse from all comers. Is that right? By placing "tolerant" in a position that no human being can reach, you eliminate the (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Lee Meyer
         (...) No, you didn't get it. What I am saying is that YOU tolerate only those that believe the way you do, and anyone who does not agree with you you automatically place into the homophobic, hateful camp, whether they actually are homophobic or they (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Christopher L. Weeks
         (...) Ah! So you're merely incorrect. (...) I think you've confused the sides here. You've described yourself pretty perfectly, as far as I can infer. Chris (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: “family-safe” ? (Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Lee Meyer
         (...) Nope, I'm dead-on correct. (...) Again, nope. I described you to a tee. I'm not telling anyone they ought to cancel their posts like you have. I am for the debate if you've read these threads. I'm not in favor of censoring the discussion. (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Correction to my previous post —Lee Meyer
         (...) I have to apologize to Chris as I misread the nested message and said he posted to ask the person to remove his posts - Scott Arthur did that. So I was wrong to say he called for it. I will say that Chris probably didn't have a problem with (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
        (...) Don't try and turn this into a genophopic issue. Sex is a family-safe topic. The only reason such discussion doesn't belong here is because the owners say so. (...) I'm not willing to reduce myself to the lowest common denominator of thought (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —James Trobaugh
       (...) I think the point was that why should sexual orientation of any kind be a topic on a LEGO hobby site such as LUGNET. I believe it's the love of LEGO that has brought us together on here, beyond that I don't think we need to single out folks (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
        (...) Agreed 100%. -Tim (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
        (...) (note that my agreement with James is my own opinion and shouldn't be confused with the collective opinion of any groups I represent or am part of) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
        (...) I happen to not understand why the homosexual AFOLs would want to ghettoize themselves that way either. And I'm not going to cry about it if there's no support for creating such a club. It doesn't affect me particularly. AND, I think it's (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Koudys
         (...) I had a conversation with fellow rtlTers about this very thing-- "Hey, what if some gay person showed up at our train show?" Who cares? "What if he or she brought a rainbow coloured LEGO brick boxcar to put on the layout?" First of all, that'd (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —James Trobaugh
        (...) Hmmm, I think we're in agreement but it's not coming out clear. My point is why do we need to have a separate group for gay MOCs (not sure what a gay MOC would be). There is pretty much an correct group for pretty much any MOC, including (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
        (...) I am in agreement with you as well. It doesn't matter as long as you love building with good old Lego! James, I can tell you why this is an issue with homosexuals. They want to tell other people they are gay because unless they are blatant (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !! 
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
         (...) Allow me to politely disagree with this view. I don't think they are seeking any sort of approval - they seem to just wish to avoid disapproval, which is not the same thing. Basically, they just want to post with people who are comfortable (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)  
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
         (...) Bruce wrote: 'They want a place to post with people who are comfortable with what they are.' Bruce, if this is the main reason they want the group, it has nothing to do with Lego - Lego is incidental at best. The primary reason is for them to (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society — Todd Lehman
          (...) Lee: LUGNET newsgroup theory is all about identifying subsets of interest within the community and creating focused discussion groups for those subsets, both LEGO-related and non-LEGO-related; it's about creating and nurturing individual areas (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.nntp, FTX)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
         (...) See Todd Lehman's response as to what Lugnet is. I had reserved my own opinion on the whole subject with the note that Lehman is the arbitrator of what Lugnet is, and knows his own philosophy on it better than I do. (...) And this is merely (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Alfred Speredelozzi
        (...) Since I am (I believe) the one who started using the homophobic term in this thread, let me add that I am happily married, striaght, catholic male. Not that any of that matters, really, but you seem to be saying that the homosexuals here are (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society — Todd Lehman
        (...) Alfred: Name-calling like this just isn't helpful. In theory, the word naturally has one clear definition. In reality, everyone has a different definition of what the word means. --Todd (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lewis Valentine
       (...) I agree James, Lugnet is about lego, it is not about race, creed, politics, or sexual orientation. Like it or not, sexual orientation is a controversial subject. Some people on this group strongly disagree with the lifestyle, some strongly (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !! 
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
        (...) Thank you, Lewis. -Tim (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
       (...) But here, we can discuss and remain largely civil. Chris (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Marc Nelson, Jr.
       (...) I really don't think Teddy was asking for a group in which to hold explicit sexual discussion. Of course outside interests have an impact on what you do with your LEGO hobby. I imagine most of the train guys are fans of real trains. I build a (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Mike Kollross
        (snippage) (...) Just to clarify. I wasn't suggesting that there would be explicit sexual content just content that is sexual in nature and on a site dedicated to a childs toy it would be inappropriate. I am not trying to vilify Teddy or his (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Marc Nelson, Jr.
         (...) Ruling out explicit sexual images/discussion - what does "content that is sexual in nature" mean? Is (URL) this> sexual in nature? How about (URL) this>? What about their gay equivalents? Marc Nelson Jr. (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Saskia van Doesburg
        (...) A gaygroup isn't about sex, it's about understanding eachother and not having to explain everyting. Some people (no one in particular) seem to think homosexuality is about sex. It is not! I think it would be nice to have a GLBT-group. I would (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Larry Pieniazek
        The Transition Team is discussing this and I hope that some formal statements will be forthcoming, where necessary and appropriate, in due time. Meanwhile I hope everyone can discuss aspects of this calmly and rationally (which in my view everyone (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Saskia van Doesburg
         (...) I think Kevin has a very good point in his post: [quote] A group like this is useful for the same reason that LGBT concert bands, choirs, softball teams, gardening clubs, book clubs, square dancing groups, churches, RV'er and camping groups, (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Eaton
         (...) Or, really, why we even have things like LUGNET. About 10 years ago I came out of my dark age and had no way of finding like-minded individuals, until I eventually found RTL and LUGNET. The sea of "normal Non-Lego" people is overwhelming. And (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Jesse Alan Long
         (...) First of all, if you plan on having such a group, do you not know that LEGO HAS made pink as a color in the past? I would think that a homosexual group would at least match the typical homosexual agenda on such a small issue like that on here. (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)  
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Joakim Olsson
           "Jesse Alan Long" <kiraya_malzant@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:I45MzA.1yKA@lugnet.com... (...) *want* (...) bands, (...) groups, (...) motorcycle (...) and (...) groups, etc (...) understand (...) it's (...) will the (...) came out (...) I (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
         
              Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
          (...) I thought it was insane asylum inmates. Chris (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
          (...) LOL. Thanks for setting us straight on that one, Jesse. I'm sure no-one realised until you told us that we had the Wrong Color. As for the rest of your post... consider the source, people. Kevin (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Orion Pobursky
          (...) Yes but didn't Jesus also say: "Judge not, that you be not judged. For with what judgement you judge, you will be judged; and with what measure you use, it will be measured back to you" (Matt 7:1-2) "He who is without sin among you, let him (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Daniel Rubin
          Major snippage If this is my last time on here, (...) Wait a second here, are you trying to say that your post makes sense? I can only hope that your poor sentence construction, and seeming logical falacies are actually just translation problems (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)  
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Keith Goldman
          To quote the masterwork film, Big Trouble in Little China: "Are you crazy? Is that your problem?" I'd like to advocate for a newsgroup, lugnet.people.jessealanlong so that your comedic stylings can be preserved for future generations. Jesse, don't (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org) ! 
         
              Re: Lavender Brick Society —Richard Noeckel
          (...) Here’s my vote for: fanatical.christian-...zealot.org JAL wrote: “The fifth reason is that homosexuality is NOT a tolerant lifestyle. It is an immoral, hateful, bigoted, sexist, discriminatory, intolerant, deviant, and even racist lifestyle.” (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Blocksidge
          In lugnet.people, Jesse Alan Long wrote: (snipping to focus on the "best" parts) (...) When reading this huge thread, I saw many posts that were beyond good taste, many that had no basis in fact, many that made preposterous statements, many that (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org, FTX)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —James Stacey
         "Jesse Alan Long" <kiraya_malzant@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:I45MzA.1yKA@lugnet.com... (...) LEGO HAS (...) would (...) that on (...) being (...) God (...) Suzanne, (...) with (...) a (...) also have (...) life. (...) the (...) was (...) (...) (20 years ago, 24-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
        (...) Thank you Larry. My mind is boggling at the number of people who are posting what boils down to: "I don't understand why it should exist, so it shouldn't" It is quite usual when there is a small group within a majority group, for members of (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Maggie Cambron
         (...) Well I *know* my view doesn't matter here (right Lar?) but my mind is boggling too, so I'll post my opinion that it's a great idea. I mean, if you look at local groups for instance-- they are composed of AFOL's who have the common (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)  
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
         (...) Are you lumping into that those that are really saying, "Lugnet is about Lego, and homesexual, heterosexual, transsexual, etc. really has nothing to do with Lego"? I'm starting to see spin-mastering on this topic that I don't foresee as (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
         Bruce Schlickbernd wrote in message ... (...) Well, I wasn't going through the posts saying mentally "that one, and that one, and that one..." and categorising who was saying what, and how. No intentional lumping going on. (...) with (...) Many (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)  
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Jeff Pelletier
         (...) Amazing timing, my lugnet membership comes to my email just as I was itching to reply to this thread (I've been "lurking" now for months and this is my first post). In any case, I think that having a lavendar group is going to be something (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Laswell
         (...) I didn't understand why it should exist either, but maybe that's exactly why it should. It's one thing to say that LGBT people want to be treated as equals with heteros, but it's a totally different thing to say that they want to be treated as (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
        (...) This last argument is always appealed to when a majority having a conservative position is opposed to what a minority group with a more liberal viewpoint does or doesn't want to do. In this case the majority is cast as being ignorant, hateful (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Larry Pieniazek
        (...) Why cast this as conservative vs. liberal? I'm not seeing it that way and I am not sure it's a useful characterisation. (...) I am not seeing any characterisation of the 'majority' as ignorant, hateful or unqualified by anyone. I certainly (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
        (...) I have seen posts by people telling others to remove their posts (those against this idea) and have seen posts calling those who posted against this idea whitewashed as 'homophobic.' In the first post I replied to in this thread we see someone (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.people, lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Eaton
        (...) It also means homosexual in today's context. True it didn't always mean that, but regardless it's a common term nowadays to refer to homosexuals. (...) Well, you can't really sue LUGNET. They already reserved the right to discriminate for any (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bryan Wong
        (...) I was going to write what you just posted, Dave, but I didn't look hard enough to find the right line in the LUGNET terms of use. With that said, it's open threats like the one Jesse posted that would make me ban the poster immediately if I (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Koudys
       In lugnet.people, Jesse Alan Long wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Are you completely out of your tree? Let's get into this then-- Where's Gandhi, Mohandas Karamchand right now? Heaven or Hell? He didn't believe that Jesus was 'the way, the truth (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bryan Wong
       (...) Actually, I find that such behaviour is an excellent example of ignorance... I was pretty irked by Jesse's post. (and I'm a Roman Catholic myself!) -Bryan (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
       (...) Offensive as Jesse is, its actually kinda fun to have him around for comic relief, when he shows up. -Tim (certified Communist and Fascist, according to Jesse) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Ross Crawford
       (...) It isn't. By the same token it isn't *NECESSARY* to discuss religion and how it relates to LEGO, but that occurs pretty much every time Rev Brendan posts an update. I would welcome posts from LGBT AFOLs about their MOCs etc. That said, I see (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Hietbrink
      (...) But I've seen a Brickfilm of the Iron Chef show, and doesn't the Extreme Team subtheme have a water skiing set? I'd imagine that those into those topics would love to see discussions on those themes as they relate to those LEGO creations, and (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Scott Arthur
      (...) It is there if you look. I hate stereotypes, but it is about time this guy came out: (URL) A “construction worker” with white slacks and meticulous moustache? ;) Scott A PS Has anyone done the village people in Lego? (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
       (...) But of course: (URL) sure there are others too. I had a "leathermen and drag queens" fighting force for the first VLC Brikwars-type game a few years ago - the game writeup is here but I don't see any good pics :-( (URL) this is back on-topic (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Scott Arthur
        (...) Hmm. Perhaps a new group is needed? :-O Scott A (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Hietbrink
       (...) A quick Brickshelf search reveals this one as well: (URL) sure I've seen others out there. Since minifig designs already exist for cowboys and Indians, construction workers, police, etc, this is pretty straightforward. Bruce (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Allister McLaren
       (...) The Village People are gay!? (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Gary Thomas
      (...) Yeah I did a MOC a few years ago: (2 URLs) And for the record, I'm not gay - I personally find this whole discussion rather silly, and disappointed it's on LUGNET. Seems about as pertinent as my suggesting there be a NWGWDAG (nerdy white guys (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Gregory
     (...) I agree with you Allister. If there was a gay newsgroup on LUGNET, and someone posted sexual material (of whatever preference), then that would be in violation of the TOS. But if people posting to a gay LUGNET newsgroup never mentioned (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Allister McLaren
     (...) That was never really a concern to me. Nothing in the original post stated that as an intention, nor did I assume it would be. (...) Indeed. I never really thought of it as something relevant to the art of building with Lego. True it may (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Melody Brown
     (...) Personally I don't see the reason to start labelling people into groups such as this, I can't see why just everyone regardless of who they are, where they are from and what they look like can't just do the same as everyone else, why does (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Saskia van Doesburg
     Hi teddy, I have absolutely no problems with me being gay in this community. But I'd love to be a Lavender Brickette :-) Since I'm in the Netherlands, I don't have any issues with acceptance or something, but it would be nice to exchange thoughts (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
     (...) As this is directly topical for LUGNET discussion, and there's not even anything to debate, it doesn't belong in .off-topic.debate. Right? And if you do start a club, wouldn't it fall under the .org. hierarchy? Chris (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
     Replying generally here both to Teddy and others in this thread. I'm gay. Most people in my local group (VLC) know that, and they know my partner, who sometimes comes and helps haul tables and setup or teardown at shows just to help out, though he's (...) (20 years ago, 14-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) !! 
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Edward Welsh
     Apologies for laying low, but it looks like folks have chimed in and said pretty much what I would want to anyway. For those who are curious, no, I have never had a negative experience in the AFOL community. Y'all have always been a wonderful, (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Ross Crawford
     In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Edward Welsh wrote: --snip-- (...) Well I'm not sure I think that's a good idea. Lugnet has managed to stay nicely free of censorship so far - it would be nice if that continued. However, of such posts would be good, and (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
     (...) Yep. We didn't even cancel the infamous f-bomb posts (which kinda surprised me). The only time a thread has been cancelled was at the request of LEGO's lawyers upon the leaking of some confidential information, some years ago. And IIRC, it (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
     (...) Clarification: ...the only time a thread has been cancelled without first securing the permission of the poster(s). -Tim (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Troy Cefaratti
     (...) Just as a point of interest, this can be easily recreated in lego for your name tag: (URL) And i've seen it at Brickfest the last couple of years. Subtle, and those not in the know probably wouldn't even notice. Troy (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Hietbrink
     Hmm, interesting suggestion. I'm a little confused. Is this seen as primarily for LGBT AFOLs to chat with eachother about LEGO, or for anyone to discuss LEGO in relation to LGBT issues? In the posts above in this thread I see implications for both. (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Jason Coronado
     (...) why, oh why do we always have to have a "gay side" to everything in society? isn't it enough that we see homosexuality in all forms of media on a daily basis? how does anyone corellate sexual orientation with lego building? it doesn't make (...) (20 years ago, 15-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) ! 
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Keith Goldman
     (...) Teddy, I thought Belville was the Gay newsgroup? Wait a minute...Gays have the power of invisibility?! Cooool. As a man with a record of staunch heterosexuality...well...except for that junior-high towell snapping incident that got out of (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Nick Kappatos
      (...) This is "staunch"? (URL) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Keith Goldman
       (...) Ummm....well...what can I say, I've always had weakness for red-heads, and to be fair, Sandlin's sexual appeal crosses all gender boundaries. -Keith (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Mark Sandlin
       (...) Keith, you old smoothie. -Grand Admiral .space Curator (URL) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —John Neal
      (...) Seriously, can someone explain to me why pics of the GA's hair color always appear to have been altered in Photoshop? :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.people, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Nick Kappatos
      (...) No joke on the Photoshop. The real Mark Sandlin is a 5'3" Korean woman - but all known photos of him have this giant leprauchan guy instead. -nk (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.people, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —John Neal
      (...) I see. So does that make Goldman a (URL) NWGWDAG>? JOHN (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.people, FTX)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Nick Kappatos
      (...) No, that makes him the cowboy on the left. Giddyup Goldman rides again -- yeee-haaaaaaaa! -nk (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.people, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
     (...) LOL! Good choice of group Keith. .underground is the only place outside o-t-debate I've ever had a slightly homophobic response to a post.... hmmm.... where was it... (URL) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Rob Hendrix
      "Teddy Welsh" <ewelsh@wsc.ma.edu> wrote in message news:I40H0H.1yKv@lugnet.com... (...) Great idea! And while we're at it, I'd like to suggest the following groups be made to further separate people away from the reason why we come to lugnet in the (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) ! 
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) So, by that logic, there should only be one group, right? Because every group splinters us into sub-topics of LEGO discussion. We should start by getting rid of lugnet.trains.org.msltc, because -- after all, why would a bunch of people who (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Rob Hendrix
      Here we go... "Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:I458x9.19Bn@lugnet.com... (...) I am trying to show the *unimportance* of splitting off for social status reasons. Yes, lugnet.org.msltc *IS* a group, but it is a group of (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) Sure. They are a group of people who share an interest in LEGO, trains (perhaps), and happen to be gay, instead. I see the difference. It's trivial. The main difference that I see is that in one case, you benefit from the subdivision and in (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Dan Sabath
     (...) Rob, I know that you are trying to point out that it would be absurd to have a bunch of groups like that, however I do believe that any group that chooses to self identify and is genuinely interested in community building should be allowed to (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Cynthia Bradham
     well. This isn't how I would usually choose to out myself, but....I feel obliged to make some kind of response. I am a long time lego fan, and I live a gay lifestyle. Although it is usually not discussed, most people who know me also know this, or (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)  
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
      (...) Hi Cyndi, your post is probably one of the better reasoned ones I've read on this issue. Lots of 'hets' are not opposed to the idea because people are gay (it may be a factor for some, and some don't care at all), but because they are opposed (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society — Todd Lehman
     (...) I think I counted five last night, and you'd be a sixth. Welcome to the thread, BTW! --Todd (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Alfred Speredelozzi
     (...) Wow, lots of controversy here, Teddy! I think this thread has really brought out the homophobic in many AFOLs. I mean, what are people talking about when they say they just want this site to be safe for kids? Aren't we a bunch of AFOLs? (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
      (...) I've only followed this thread loosely, but I don't recall a single homophobic response. I don't have a single problem with gays, but I don't see the need for a gay Lego sub-division any more than any other sub-division you wish to define (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Steve DeCraemer
       (...) Nicely put Bruce. Let me put it this way. I go to Brickfest and I see 280 lego enthusist. Who's gay and who's not. Hey is that chick straight or a lesbian? Hey, that guy over there kinda looks gay but I'm sure the hell not going to go over and (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Dave Schuler
        (...) Hey, who let an atheist into OT.Debate?!? Dave! (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Koudys
        (...) Like Heston in POTA-- "YOU MANIACS. YOU BLEW IT UP. MEGABLOCK YOU. MEGABLOCK YOU ALL TO MEGABLOCK. That's what you get when you let an athiest in here... ;) Dave K (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
        (...) Megablock you, you Megablocking Megablock. -Tim (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Frank Filz
          "Tim Courtney" <lego@SPAMCAKE.timcourtney.net> wrote in message news:I45JqD.1DI1@lugnet.com... (...) Um, should that be Megablock you, you Megablocking Megablockhead? (ooh, that rolls off the toungue real nice...:-) Frank (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Eaton
          (...) If you're gonna swear, at least spell it right, you Megabloking Megablokholes. Hmm. "MegaBlokhole"... that really does sound evil. And I can't believe the audacity that some websites have. Swearing on a site intended for children. Sheesh: (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —John Neal
         (...) Actually, I think the actual quotation is: Megablok off, you Megabloking Megablok. JOHN (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Dave Schuler
         (...) All you Bionicling Galidors can go Jackstone yourselves. Dave! (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
        
             Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
         (...) Okay Dave, I'm going to have to ask you to refrain from this kind of language. There is no acceptable situation to tell someone to go Jackstone themself. In fact, those could be regarded as fighting words, in which case someone may go Harry (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
        (...) Learn to curse correctly! Mega Bloks. No "c", two words. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
        (...) Lots of people have said they are gay here on lugnet - doesn't seem to be a big deal. Of course, I suppose I'm used to my old home town of Long Beach, California, which had a greater density of gays than San Francisco (or did - don't keep up (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —James Trobaugh
       (...) I was at Brickfest and none of those questions ever went through my mind. Maybe you and I go to Brickfest for different reasons. jt (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Duane Hess
      (...) Thanks Bruce, I visit LUGNet to see what the latest and greatest is in the Lego Block Building World. I've seen MOCs of religious, sexual and Holocaust themes. Do I come here to discuss religion, sex or genocide? No. I come here for the MOCs - (...) (20 years ago, 16-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
     (...) I just love this abuse of the term "homophobic" to anyone who disagrees with whatever homosexuals propose to do (and Alfred, this does not mean I am saying you a homosexual because I don't know and don't care). No other group exists - (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Laswell
     (...) Of course not. If you disagree with women, you get labelled mysoginistic or male-chauvanistic, not homophobic. That wouldn't make any sense at all. Anyways, there is evidence that suggests that those who are rabidly homophobic are actually (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Johannes Koehler
      Hello! (...) So why whould one (intentionally or not) _look_ at them? (...) There's no reason that I actually _think_ "this person is black" It's just how a person is, it's obvious, it's not a matter of must-think-about. I don't look at a random (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
      (...) Johannes, I think you stated yourself very well on these points. The issue that underlies this is that these people want you to know they are gay - they don't want you to assume the are not because they are offended at being assumed to be gay (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Johannes Koehler
      Hello! Before I started posting to this thread I made the following decisions: 1. I would not say anything revealing my own sexual preferences, whatever they might be. 2. I would not say anything like "personally I'm not [this] but hey! if people (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
       (...) Not picking on you particularly Jojo, since this has been said several times by several people in different ways in this thread. There are a couple of points here. Firstly, heterosexuals frequently mention their sexual orientation. How? By (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
       (...) Verbal gymnastics from Kevin. Sexual orientation may not tell you the specific acts a particular couple performs in bed, but you'd have to be an idiot not to know THE RANGE OF POSSIBLE ACTS two men or two women might do in bed together (same (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
        (...) Whether you're wrong or right, what does it matter? Are you actually offended by the sexual acts that these two men might perform? Is that actually even what this is about or is this a dead end? If it really is the point, do those same acts (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Hietbrink
        (...) But isn't there a huge distinction here? Say, for instance, I said the following in the .storage group: "I was digging through my big bin of bricks last night, but the noise was really annoying my SO, because she was trying to sleep. I really (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)  
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
       Interesting that you don't bother to address either of the two major points in my post, Lee (that heterosexuals frequently broadcast their sexual orientation by referring to the gender of their partners, and that sexual orientation is about (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
        (...) If a moderator thinks that that message *was* too graphic, you hereby have my request to cancel it. Kevin (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Larry Pieniazek
        (...) This admin (not moderator, we don't have moderators at LUGNET) appreciates your concern and thanks you for your flexibility and willingness to work within the system. However (1) the decision to request a cancel rests with *you*, not the (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
       (...) How could he??? You homos are wicked and that's good enough. Trying to rationalize it will only get him into trouble. See John Neal's long history of debate for countless examples of the style. (...) Yeah, this is something that bothers me (...) (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Dave Schuler
       (...) Wait a minute--Kevin's gay?!? Oh no! I bought skeletons from him a few years ago--what does that make me? Dave! (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
       (...) Idunno about you, but clearly the skeletons in your closet have come out. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
       (...) ROFL! (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Laswell
      (...) The tone of your post fairly well indicates that you're hetero, you're not okay with LGBT lifestyles, and you don't really think it should be completely left to Todd to decide. I'd say you failed on the right parts and succeeded on the wrong (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Jeff Pelletier
       (...) I couldn't agree more with what David said. As a gay person, I ask no more and no less than to speak equally with someone. If a straight person I talk to mentions "I went to the Lego store with my wife, blah blah blah" then I do in fact desire (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Joakim Olsson
         "Jeff Pelletier" <jeff@studio7733.com> wrote in message news:I496JG.Io6@lugnet.com... snipped some old stuff. (...) more and (...) to (...) in (...) No (...) is (...) think (...) would (...) speak (...) ignorant to (...) civil (...) can't (...) (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Jeff Pelletier
        (...) Joakim, No problem asking. Several examples of LGBT related MOCs were already brought up, but to recap: there was a castle inhabited by lesbians, a gay bar, a gay "ghetto" (most big cities have one - NYC's Chelsea, Seattle's Capitol Hill, (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Joakim Olsson
         "Jeff Pelletier" <jeff@studio7733.com> wrote in message news:I49Bsw.1BDI@lugnet.com... (...) it: (...) MOCS (...) it (...) does (...) brought (...) gay (...) Hill, (...) is a (...) the (...) the (...) clue (...) is the (...) large (...) As a (...) (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
       
            Re: Lavender Brick Society —Jeff Pelletier
        (...) You are completely right about MOCs being able to be posted in other groups. I intend, where appropriate, to cross-post any MOCs that I would post. Some people may not, its their choice I guess. (...) The short answer (and thats difficult) (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Johannes Koehler
        Hello! (...) This thread is the reason why a LGBT subgroup is needed now. Because NOW nobody who was involved in this thread has an unbiassed view upon this matter anymore. ;) Bye Jojo (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
       In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jeff Pelletier wrote: [SNIP] (...) Jeff, you may be referring to some of my statements, and I will simply flat out tell you it's based on my personal experiences with gay people and also reading the published/blog (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Johannes Koehler
       Hello! (...) Since I'm an untransgendered hetero I don't need to be okay with such lifestyles. (...) That's only an assumption. (...) *sigh* To fail constantly is my destiny. Bye Jojo (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
      In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote: [SNIP] (...) (sarcasm on) Ummmmm, Dave, yeah, we have conversations about this all the time. You must have overheard us. (sarcasm off) We're not the ones obsessed with defining ourselves primarily by (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) <giggle> Seriously? I'm pretty sure you've read this thread...right? So, how can you say that you're not obsessed in exactly the way you're claiming not to be? _You're_ the the one raising the stink...not the LGB folks. Chris (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
     (...) Really, give me a break. People in favor of this idea have tossed around the term "homophobic" not in the clinical sense, but at anyone who hasn't embraced this idea as being wonderful, and you know it. I was pointing out the fact that those (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Geobra Society —Johannes Koehler
     Hello! Being a Playmobil-lover I always felt somewhat to be the odd one out at AFOL meetings. For many years Playmobil has been one of my most important inspirations for building with LEGO. There are so many things in the Playmobil universe that (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX) !! 
    
         Re: Geobra Society —John Neal
      (...) (znip) LOL Jojo, Du bist zu freche! :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Erik Olson
      (...) Hear, hear! Imagine what could be done by bringing together Playmobil fans, brick fans, and the now-sanctioned dark-side brick modders? We all need a home. Hybrid Playmobil-Lego mods! "Ports" of Playmobil accessories to the Lego platform! (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
     
          Re: Geobra Society —John Neal
      In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Erik Olson wrote: (snip) (...) Eric, I will remind you that, in order to avoid brand dilution, please refer to Playmobil® in the singular form. Otherwise, we could soon be having kids entering the LEGO® aisle and (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) I wonder if this is a common theme. I'm not a Playmobil lover, but my wife is. But she can play with LEGO too. I do enjoy watching her and sometimes I like getting involved when she is playing. I wonder though, how my kids will grow up, seeing (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
     
          Re: Geobra Society —Johannes Koehler
      Hello! (...) Oh, it wasn't meant completely unserious. For example (URL) this> was inspired by (URL) this>. And (URL) this> was built after (URL) this>. I did several other "Renditions" of Playmobil models in LEGO in the past that are not documented (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
     
          Re: Geobra Society —Arne Lykke Nielsen
      (...) I would support the idea of a Playmobil subgroup. I'm active on both LUGNET and Playmoboard, and I see a distinctive difference between the two communities: LEGO is about building, so LUGNET is dominated by male engineers. LUGNET is American, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Ka-On Lee
      (...) I enjoy browsing the Playmobil section in our local Playvalue store, thinking if only LEGO make good looking sets like them, and OTOH how much they are becoming Playmobil like with giant special pieces... Yes Playmobil have many good sets and (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Matthew Miller
     [newsgroup list trimmed] (...) Does Playmobil produce Lego system-compatible elements? If so, such discussion would be entirely appropriate in lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, and if there is enough interest and traffic in that group, perhaps creating (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —John Neal
     (...) Are gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered people? If so, such discussions would be entirely appropriate in Lugnet.people, and if there is enough interest and traffic in that group, perhaps creating a more specific subgroup would be (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Alfred Speredelozzi
     (...) precisely! :) I wonder why no one else can see it? Also, as Larry had suggested, if the Lavender Brick Society actually existed, then they should qualify to have a Lugnet forum under the .org heirarchy. I think this is all Teddy was asking (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Tim Courtney
      (...) Calling people homophobic as hyperbole is in my opinion really irresponsible PC mudslinging. It doesn't add anything constructive to the discussion, it just labels people as haters in a really careless way. -Tim (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
     
          Re: Geobra Society —Alfred Speredelozzi
      (...) I don't think hyperbole is careless. It makes an important point. I think many of the opponents of this idea are haters of homosexuality. I don't think that they are such haters that they are willing to forego normal human decency. However, (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
     
          Re: Geobra Society — Todd Lehman
       (...) 1. Let's not make this into an issue with two sides. 2. Differences of opinion are good, so long as we remember to respect the opinions of others. --Todd (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
      
           Re: Geobra Society —Tim Courtney
       (...) Looks like there are some who want to make this a place where only one type of opinion is respected. Sad. And, may I mention, bad for the community? -Tim (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
      
           Re: Geobra Society —Joakim Olsson
        (...) type of (...) Well.. wich one is that? I´d say that there are 2 sides and both of them want theirs to be the "only one". (...) Yes, indeed. (...) /J (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people)
      
           Re: Geobra Society —Mike Rayhawk
       (...) I don't think so. Someone wishing that one set of voices be silenced (or that they "shut their ignorant piehole") doesn't mean that it's going to happen. Them saying so gives the community a chance to respond and determine its stance on the (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX) ! 
     
          Re: Geobra Society —David Laswell
      (...) Yes, how many past cultures have had socially accepted, civilly conducted, racially- or caste-based slavery? And how many free democracies still consider it to be acceptable today? (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)  
    
         Re: Geobra Society —Lee Meyer
     (...) Alfred, the problem is that you label people with a negative term that you know (you admit above) technically do not deserve the label. There is no homophobia in the posts you are talking about - these people are expressing legitimate reasons (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.people, FTX)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
     (...) I let this roll around in my head for a day before posting a reply to this. There are a few things I have to post about this and I hope to get them out. 1. I have to say this is the first time in my life I have heard anyone try and tie sexual (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) ! 
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Anthony Sava
      (...) Would then an individual who wants a gay-only lugnet discussion forum, because they feel uncomfortable talking about lego with non gay individuals, be called "heterophobic?" It's just a question, and shouldn't be taken as a statement being (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
      (...) Hi Anthony, actually yes, there is a clinical condition called heterophobia, that homosexuals can suffer from. It's easier to see this surfacing in lesbian circles, especially those that have obvious hate issues with men (male bashing, etc). (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) Like where they happen to live? Shall we do away with the entire .loc tree? Chris (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
      (...) Comparing sexual orientation to geographic location is comparing apples and oranges (and I'm certain it's demeaning/offensive to those who find sexual orientation very important, to be compared to such an arbitrary thing as a location). There (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
     (...) I snipped the rest of your stuff, but I just want to chime in with my agreement to your point of view. -Tim (whose opinion shouldn't imply anyone else's opinion by his affiliations) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Anthony Sava
     I KNOW I should duck out of this now, but I just can't resist not posting something. I'm going to regret it, I know. So... I am a Heterosexual Conservative Catholic. Do I think being gay is a sin? Yes. Do I have gay friends? Yes. Do I preach to gay (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) !! 
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Mike Rayhawk
      (...) I get the feeling I'm going to regret it too, having to sit through the eighty or ninety posts of people telling you that everyone's allowed to their own opinion as long as it's not to think being gay is a sin. (...) Now I have no opinion one (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org) !! 
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
      (...) Wrong, Diet Coke simply consigns you to Purgatory for a while until you are thin and can go back to The Real Thing. Drinking New Coke (or Pepsi in any guise) is what condemns you to Hell (though The Lowest Pit of Hell is reserved for the (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
       (...) Hmmm. So what happens to people like me, who drink supermarket generic cola, non-caffienated, but with all the usual sugar? I'm just dying to know :-) Kevin (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
       (...) I won't swear to it, but I think that puts you in the Pit of People Condemned to read Reader's Digest for All Eternity. If it didn't have any sugar in addition to being decaffienated, you'd simply be an atheist. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kevin Wilson
       (...) Oh well, no worries :-) Shocking thought it may be, I *like* Readers Digest. Anything with words on a page can't be all bad, right? It could have been worse. It could have been the same cornflake package for all eternity. At least with RD I (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
        (...) I always liked my mother's succinct summation of Reader's Digest: premasticated literature. But I must admit, the Groucho Marx Dilemma would be woise (Help, help, let me out of here! At least throw me a magazine). Locked in a bathroom for (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Laswell
       (...) Oh, well then you get sent to the Pit of People Condemned to Read "As I Lay Dying", Chapter 19. *shudder* (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Hietbrink
      (...) What about that Diet Coke with Lime? I like that quite a bit. Is there a particular circle reserved for me? Also, when I was in San Francisco (hmm, does this tie in?) I found Diet Coke with Lemon. Oddly I haven't seen this anywhere else. Do (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Laswell
      (...) Does it matter? The only one that gets you any positive special treatment in the afterlife is Barq's root beer, the only carbonated beverage that's good enough to say so on the label. It's also the only caffeinated root beer that I've ever (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community)
     
          Re: coke, dike coke, lemon coke, root beer —Jason Spears
       (...) But part of why I like Root Beer is because it normally has no caffeine. (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Frank Filz
      (...) I like Barq's, but I tend to have troubles with barking spiders after drinking it... Frank (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Christopher L. Weeks
      (...) There is one really significant difference between Teddy's request and these ones you're making. His was genuine. Chris. (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Tim Courtney
       (...) Who are you to judge whether or not Anthony's requests were genuine or not? The only person who is qualified to be the judge of that is Antony himself, right? Yes, I'm being sarcastic. -Tim (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Anthony Sava
      (...) Who's not being genuine? I've been begging for a .fantasy for YEARS. My dragons would fit better there than in .castle or .mecha. And I'd love to see a place where my catholic and conservative breathern could come together and discuss LEGO. (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —Alfred Speredelozzi
       (...) build.fantasy is a good idea. I would support it. I don't see why Teddy asking for a .people.lgbt is any less legitamate, thoa. Really, Lugnet grows in fits and spurts sometimes, so I guess if you asked before and it wasn't granted, you have a (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
       (...) <SNIP> (...) I knew someone would have a problem if someone wanted equal treatment and said then we better have a heterosexual Lego user group. I wonder why Alfred has no qualms about asking the heterosexual person if their group is really (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Alfred Speredelozzi
       (...) I get it. You clearly didn't read what I said. You _might_ be right. There _might_ be people interested in such a hetero discussion group. But why would you assume a group is needed just because a homosexual group is asked for? Neither of you (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
      
           Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
       Nope, what I was saying is that your own preconceived biases made you assume that someone asking for a hetero group at this present time was doing so 'to get even/keep up with the homosexual Joneses' rather than it being a legitimate request. You (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
     
          .fantasy group? —Bruce Hietbrink
      (...) Okay, leaving aside the blathering in the main thread, I just wanted to see what people thought about this. Since most of my castle creations technically are fantasy (being Tolkien-themed), such a forum would directly impact me. Personally I (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Koudys
      In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Anthony Sava wrote: <snip> (...) Dem dar fighting words, Tony!! Dave K (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
     
          Re: Lavender Brick Society —John Neal
      (...) Case in point;-D JOHN (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
     In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Anthony Sava wrote: <snip> (...) I think Anthony has hit the nail on the head here. If you open the gate to create a group whose primary focus is not Lego but homosexuality and therefore off-topic, you will have to allow (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Duane Hess
     Todd & related admins: Could we (the community) get a "yes" or "no" on this topic? The thread is starting to throw debris all over the "legitimate" LEGO related posts. -Duane I'm off to adjust my skip filter.... (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society — Todd Lehman
     (...) Short answer yes. Long answer coming later tonight. --Todd (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Kelly McKiernan
     (...) I'm disappointed by the amount of negative and sarcastic posts generated by this one simple request - a request to have a place to interact with others who have similar aptitudes and experiences. Obviously, as referenced in the initial post, (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)  
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Bruce Schlickbernd
      (...) I'd feel pretty much the same way I do about the proposed addition - there doesn't seem to be much of a point to establishing a seperate forum for it. However, for any types of new forums, clearly I'm not the one that counts, it's Todd Lehman. (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —David Koudys
      (...) You don't think there'd be some sort of sarcasm if I requested a group for Trekkies? Sometimes humour doesn't have to be interpreted as negative connotations against what is being requested. Dave K -going back to using both hands for his (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
    
         Re: Lavender Brick Society —Lee Meyer
     (...) Kelly, many people did think about this and explained so in their posts. I would ask the same thing - what does being a cancer survivor and Lego have to do with each other? I think it's an off-topic post, or maybe it deserves its own web site (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions)
   
        Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Kyle D. Jackson
     (...) Wow, controversy on LUGNET. Will wonders never cease? ;] Damn I'm going to regret this. Oh well, as long as my post is more coherent than JAL's, I've done good. ;] I have formed a theory. Here's a pictorial representation of part of my theory: (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Allister McLaren
      (...) Except it'd more likely be lugnet.people.(your country).(your state).(your city).(your street).kyle., just in the unforseen circumstance that there is another Kyle. Don't get me wrong, I reckon lugnet.(incredibly convoluted heirarchy).kyle (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org, FTX)
     
          Re: Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Kyle D. Jackson
      (...) LOL at obscure reference to infamous .Space history! (I didn't see your link to that thread until typing this reply, because the HTML link was only applied to the last period you typed.) I've no idea where to FUT this, so I'll leave it (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Johannes Koehler
      Hello! (...) It still makes me feel good. It's not what I had expected when I sent the money but that doesn't mean I'm disappointed. I would not want to leave. Where else is it possible to discuss anything and everything with people who you don't (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Wayne McCaul
     In lugnet.admin.suggestions, Kyle D. Jackson wrote: <snip> (...) No, what I expected when I joined LUGNET, was part resource, part discussion. .space mostly. I saw it as a place to exchange building ideas and maybe a little banter. But what I got (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)  
    
         Re: Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Kyle D. Jackson
     (...) Wayne, I don't know if your question is meant to be rhetorical to the general members, or if it's directly specifically at me. If the latter, then unfortunately it reads like you missed the point of my post (or I failed to make it well). I was (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
    
         Re: Is LUGNET what you really want? (Was: Re: Lavender Brick Society) —Kyle D. Jackson
     (...) Replying to myself..., and Wayne, again. ;] Wayne upon re-reading my post and your reply, it dawned on me that perhaps you were in fact addressing my question, "Is LUGNET what you really want?", with your view being yes, and to those that it's (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Rob Hendrix
   I've had time to read and reread and reread this post and I'd like to add a few comments further, if I may. "Teddy Welsh" <ewelsh@wsc.ma.edu> wrote in message news:I40H0H.1yKv@lugnet.com... (...) No one is unwelcome at Lugnet, not even Richard (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)  
   
        Re: Lavender Brick Society —Rob Limbaugh
   (...) SNIP (...) SNIP (...) It's all useless. LGBT people can't seem to feel accepted in society unless they subdivide themselves into therapy groups. I'll still accept them, lavender bricks or not, and look upon their creations with the same eyes (...) (20 years ago, 23-Sep-04, to lugnet.admin.suggestions, lugnet.fun.community, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people, lugnet.org)
 

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