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In lugnet.people, David Eaton wrote:
> In lugnet.people, Saskia van Doesburg wrote:
> > In lugnet.people, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
> > > I guess I personally am in the camp that doesn't see why people would *want*
> > > this group. Personally, it seems marginalising.
> >
> > I think Kevin has a very good point in his post:
> > [quote]
> > A group like this is useful for the same reason that LGBT concert bands,
> > choirs, softball teams, gardening clubs, book clubs, square dancing groups,
> > churches, RV'er and camping groups, swim teams, hockey teams, motorcycle
> > clubs, water poloclubs, wrestling clubs, (and many other sports teams and
> > clubs), AA groups, pilots associations, parents groups, students groups, etc
> > all exist: because we like to enjoy our interests among people who understand
> > us, *as well as* out in the wider community. Just as a simple thing, it's
> > relaxing not to have to wonder "when I refer to my SO as "he", what will the
> > reaction be?"
> > [/quote]
>
> Or, really, why we even have things like LUGNET. About 10 years ago I came out
> of my dark age and had no way of finding like-minded individuals, until I
> eventually found RTL and LUGNET. The sea of "normal Non-Lego" people is
> overwhelming. And originally there wasn't even a need for a ".space" or
> ".castle" newsgroup on LUGNET because there was so little traffic about such
> things, and so few people in the community that you could pretty much read
> everything on LUGNET. Differentiating between "castle people" and "space people"
> was trivial because 1) you knew most everyone 2) there weren't that many people
> to know. But as the community has gotten larger, the need to establish smaller
> subdivisions arose. Now, if you're a space-head, you can zip right over to
> .space, etc.
>
> As I see it, being a gay fan is just another level of specification-- it just
> happens to be a specification that doesn't concern Lego per se. I expect that
> finding gay Lego fans is probably tricky (though admittedly I wouldn't know), so
> this would make things easier in that regard. And having a nice little community
> of people you can relate to is always nice to have.
>
> The only issue remaining being that since it's NOT a strictly Lego-related
> subdivision the way trains or technic or SNOT are, is it worthy of having a
> group? I'd say sure. I mean, if we wanted to start up a group called
> lugnet.people.parents, I'm sure that would be welcomed with open arms, even if
> it's similarly not a Lego-related subdivision. Really since the entire
> "lugnet.people" branch is intended to be about the *people* in the Lego
> community, and not explicitly Lego-related, it seems to fit in just fine. I say
> if there's interest in such a group, go for it.
>
> DaveE
First of all, if you plan on having such a group, do you not know that LEGO HAS
made pink as a color in the past? I would think that a homosexual group would
at least match the typical homosexual agenda on such a small issue like that on
here. Second, you are not gay because gay means happy. What you would be
termed would be ranging from sexually confused to sexually deviant to even being
a sodomist. I did not make the terms up, people, I am just repeating what God
and others who followed Him have said about such a lifestyle. If you, Suzanne,
and you, Todd, and you, other LUGNET people, wish to give me the boot from
LUGNET, then I will sue you for discrimination. I prefer to live in peace with
other human beings. As for allowing such a group on here, I would have to
object to such a thing on numerous fronts. If anyone wants to consider me a
hatemonger for standing up to my faith in God Almighty, then they will also have
to meet Him one day just as these people will for what they have done in life.
It does not matter what your faith is because God trumps all other false
religions and, as it was said in the past, "I am the way, the truth, and the
life, and that no person can come to the Father but through the way that was
made by me."
With that being said, here are the reasons why such groups should NEVER be
formed on here. The first reason is that such a group would promotes agendas
that might irritate other LUGNET users. I know for a fact that people who call
homosexual people hateful things will be banned so why not ban other forms of
hatred? This leads to the second reason why it should never be formed on here.
The second reason is that we do not have LUGNET users who have groups on here
that represent other ideologies or faiths or ethnicities on here, so why should
we treat you any differently than any other group on here? To those people who
do not know, LUGNET was created FOR people of ALL walks of life and as such, no
preference should EVER be made to such people on here, even to people like me,
or to people like the Lavendar Brick Society. The third reason is that it is a
form of hatred. Do we really need a white supremacist LUGNET group or a Black
Panther LUGNET group or a fundamentalist Islamic militant LUGNET group?
Absolutely not, people! We have learned our lessons from the intolerance of
those people, so why should we promote this form of intolerance, people?
Sometimes, homosexuality is also promoted along with racism. Such an event
happened in Norway. It also happened in Rome. The prime minster in Norway and
the one that he confided in were both killed due to their hatred in their lives.
The Norwegians tend to not approve of such things, so why should we, as the
community of LUGNET, be promoting hatred, intolerance, bigotry, sexism,
discrimination, narrow mindedness, and other forms of evil? The fourth reason
is that I do not want to be the focus of unwarranted hatred and intolerance for
what I have faith in my life simply because I show respect and faith towards the
One who created the whole universe. If people hate me on here, then they are
the truly intolerant ones on LUGNET. The fifth reason is that homosexuality is
NOT a tolerant lifestyle. It is an immoral, hateful, bigoted, sexist,
discriminatory, intolerant, deviant, and even racist lifestyle. No one who
lives the lifestyle and is confronted with these things and remains proud of
what they do in life will do so once they actually start to ask the questions of
the lifestyle. Often, the people who refuse to answer the well-meaning
questions of the lifestyle are too arrogant to really answer such questions in
life because they would not want to lose their moral superiority or they simply
do not have an answer to those questions in life. Of course, if you want a
sermon, then maybe you SHOULD go to a church that does not approve of
homosexuality as an "alternative lifestyle." We, meaning the true Christians,
do not hate you, rather, it is you who hate those who will not conform to and
accept, without any questions, your lifestyle and this would include me and
others who think like me in life.
In short, LUGNET does NOT need to counteract or to contradict what has been a
peaceful and mutually true tolerance for ALL LUGNET users and LEGO fans. So
what if the company has policies that promote such a lifestyle? If the founders
of LEGO found that fact out, then they would be turning over in their graves.
From what little I know about them, I believe that they were truly moral and
right people in life and that they would NEVER allow such a thing in their
company. Why become a hypocrite, LUGNET? It would only allow hypocrisy to
reign in LUGNET. I am a LEGO fan, you are a LEGO fan and what you do with your
lifestyle is your business but when you are on LUGNET, you are to NEVER promote
or to support hatred. This also goes to you, Todd, Suzanne, and anyone else who
would support them in their true hatred of me. If this is my last time on here,
then it will be the last time that anyone who makes sense to stand up for what
is right not only for LUGNET but for what is morally right in life to be on
here. The next time that you see me, I will be a headless LEGO Minifig and my
little yellow LEGO Minifig head will be in one of those little LEGO pots.
Jesse Long
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