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Re: Lavender Brick Society
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 18 Sep 2004 06:22:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lee Meyer wrote:
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Bruce, if this is the main reason they want the group, it has nothing to do
with Lego - Lego is incidental at best.
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See Todd Lehman’s response as to what Lugnet is. I had reserved my own opinion
on the whole subject with the note that Lehman is the arbitrator of what Lugnet
is, and knows his own philosophy on it better than I do.
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The primary reason is for them to be
open and be approved of, despite you saying this is not the case.
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And this is merely your opinion, despite declaring that it is undisputable fact.
And you have expressed your disapproval, so clearly they have been foiled if
that is the case.
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If they
are seeking to avoid disapproval, as you stated, they can be like everyone
else and not bring up their orientation in their posts - I have never seen
posts where this just naturally comes in as part of the conversation going on
(until this current topic of discussion).
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People have mentioned being gay many times before on Lugnet. My only point was
nothing was stopping them from continuing to do so under the current structure.
It is not a banned subject. You seem to be under the impression if they don’t
have their own forum that they can’t do and say the exact same things without
it. I felt that since they could in fact do those things, why have a new forum,
but under Todd’s stated structure, I understand why he would rule otherwise.
Nothing has really changed beyond that there can be a forum that you can more
easily avoid things that you (presumably) disapprove of.
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I don’t feel compelled to tell
people my sexual orientation. I don’t need to have others affirm this or
anything else about my person.
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And that is fine for you. I have never mentioned something about my life that
would be quite out of the ordinary and would leap out at you if you saw me and
my family, but I haven’t felt the need to bring it up except once obliquely when
Shiri Dori mentioned a problem in her life that my situation applies to. I’m
sure people would draw all sorts of judgments, but I’m not afraid to discuss it
here, I just haven’t seen the occasion to.
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This is the thing that gets me about this. Right now everyone is treated
equally on this site - black, white, Hindu, Protestant, Republican,
heavy-metal lover. Now you’re telling me that’s not enough because gays
aren’t comfortable here unless they can be known to everyone as homosexuals,
and have people here who are ‘comfortable’ (read accepting) with them.
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You have detuned “approving” to “accepting”. Which is it? And you are
beginning to show the very kind of disapproval that I was talking about. How
dare they mention that they are gay! Several already have: the world has not
stopped spinning, and after a while everyone will shrug and go back to
discussing whatever it is that they want to on Lugnet and ignore what they don’t
care about.
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And
you know this is what you mean, Bruce, because if it’s not about being
accepted as gays, then why do other people have to know they’re gay? Being
gay has nothing to do with their MOCs.
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Again, see Todd’s message: Lugnet is not simply about MOC, but about the
interests of the Lego community.
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Your ‘with people who are comfortable with who they are’ phrase implies these
people are approving of homosexuals and their orientation.
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I have already said that I neither approve nor disapprove of them, I just
understand that they are gay and don’t really care one way or the other. Please
don’t put words into my mouth when I have already stated otherwise.
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It’s just a
euphemism. People who are uncomfortable about ‘what they are’ are not going
to affirm them or make them feel comfortable.
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I think you need to understand that you have just summed up why they want their
own forum.
-->Bruce<--
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Message is in Reply To:
 | | Re: Lavender Brick Society
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| (...) Bruce wrote: 'They want a place to post with people who are comfortable with what they are.' Bruce, if this is the main reason they want the group, it has nothing to do with Lego - Lego is incidental at best. The primary reason is for them to (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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