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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lee Meyer wrote:
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James, I can tell you why this is an issue with homosexuals. They want to
tell other people they are gay because unless they are blatant about it
(visually or verbally) you and I don’t know it and they don’t like people NOT
to know it. They don’t like people not knowing they are gay, because as the
vast majority of people are not, they assume that everyone else is like them
too (not gay). They want affirmation from others about their homosexuality.
They desire external approval of others regarding their sexual orientation.
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Allow me to politely disagree with this view. I don’t think they are seeking
any sort of approval - they seem to just wish to avoid disapproval, which is not
the same thing. Basically, they just want to post with people who are
comfortable with what they are (I neither approve nor disapprove - I just accept
them at face value). Inasmuch as I am comfortable with what they are, I tend
not to see the reason for a separate forum for that. Wanna post a park scene
with nothing but male minifigs holding hands? I don’t have a problem viewing
it. I think they are marginalizing themselves, and that they are still going to
be judged (I have no filters, for example - if it shows up on the common news
scroll, I’ll see it most likely).
I’m wary of the dilution of lugnet with a (possible) social club attached, and
the possible attachment of other social groups that really don’t relate to Lego
in any particular way, which is why I tried to get someone to actually say
precisely what is being asked for (and largely ignored in that request).
But...!
...many people whose opinions I respect feel that it was within keeping of the
Lugnet hierarchy of forums to include such. So, I give my approval to go ahead
(not that it is required in the slightest, of course) - I have a great deal of
trust in them.
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As you can see from the posts on this issue, they sure don’t want to hear
anything negative or less-than-approving of what they want to do. That is
something they don’t want to tolerate, and will spend much time trying to
label people who don’t embrace what they want to do as ‘homophobic’. And you
can’t have a ‘safe space’ if you’ve got ‘homophobic’ people actually
disagreeing with what homosexuals want, so now maybe we start down the path
to censoring LUGNET people, or maybe banning people because they think
differently than a protected sub-class.
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I have stated my opinion on the quick-trigger claims of homophobic. It’s too
often used in an attempt to marginalize someone’s dissenting opinion by the use
of a perjorative label (and even the only statement I noted that I felt was
homophobic has been modified). But the use of such pro or con doesn’t really
affect the actual decision (at least to me) on whether the proposed forum should
be implemented or not.
-->Bruce<--
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| (...) Bruce wrote: 'They want a place to post with people who are comfortable with what they are.' Bruce, if this is the main reason they want the group, it has nothing to do with Lego - Lego is incidental at best. The primary reason is for them to (...) (20 years ago, 18-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| (...) I am in agreement with you as well. It doesn't matter as long as you love building with good old Lego! James, I can tell you why this is an issue with homosexuals. They want to tell other people they are gay because unless they are blatant (...) (20 years ago, 17-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX) !!
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