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LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Suzanne D. Rich     There's a new TLC press release at: (URL) the good stuff: (URL) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.announce, lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.org, lugnet.robotics) !!                 Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Adrian Drake       (...) Let me be the first to say HOLY (expletive deleted for your protection) The ability to buy any piece in any quantity in perhaps any color is truly mindbendingly awesome. 2002 won't get here soon enough. Wow. Adrian -- www.brickfrenzy.com (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti         (...) Where precisely did you see this? I tried to scan around through various links from the main links that began this thread, but did not find anything along the lines of the above comment. Plus, what can I say, a lot of the content at those (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mike Walsh           "richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:G54K0r.7vy@lugnet.com... (...) truly (...) anything (...) you (...) It is described on this page: (URL) is pretty amazing IMHO. Mike - mike_walsh@mindspring.com (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Bryan Wong           (...) I nearly missed it myself! Go back to (URL) scroll down. There should be 3 "blocks" of text, in orange, green, and purple. Click on the orange block "Online LEGO users design their own sets" and you'll find the relevant text on that page. This (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Chris Leach           (...) Hmmm,hey Tom does this mean we can design and order sets with garage doors?Or sets with dare i say MONORAIL! (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti             (...) Well, as exciting as this is (and it's a HUGE step in the right direction -- one can see that at last TLC is starting to "get it"), one has to wonder at the limitations. I presume that the software/sets will be limited by brick type and color (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Noeckel             (...) My sentiments exactly!! (...) Price my also be a factor... Sincerely, Richard Noeckel You can reach me @ SHROUD_OF_KUNG_FU@Hotmail.com -Lego good, Canada great-® (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark de Kock             (...) Alrite!! I can finally 'design' a Metroliner and order all the bricks on-line. And how about all those classic space sets that are missing from my collection.... Mark "my bank-account sgonna faint in 2002" de Kock (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kevin Zwicker           (...) I think that TLC will guard against this by limiting the number of elements included in the software. For example, if this software includes a database of say, 1000 parts (a wild guess), our personalized instructions will not be able to (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Suzanne D. Rich             (...) I think one limitation will be related to the molds required for piece production. If the particular mold no longer exists, for example. But I'd bet that strong demand from consumers (like us) will bring out some fun pieces. -Suz (fingers (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —David Eaton           (...) Yeah, I'm pretty sure that'll be true-- after all, one of the major costs in manufacturing is the time it takes in changing from one mold to another, when you could have been pumping out more parts. Also, I seem to recall that if the color's (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mike Timm             (...) Where has it been said that the pitchfork mold is gone? We won't know until we ask if any certain mold still exist or not. I would think that the pitchfork mold is more likely than some to be around (I hope anyways) as they were is less sets (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kyle D. Jackson             (...) Even if the molds for some of the parts we want still exist, they may be useless. LEGO has changed the composition of its plastics many times over the years (I'm going back to the 50's here). The newer compounds in use today may be (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Toggle Joints (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Steve Chapple           In lugnet.lego.direct, David Eaton writes: <snip> (...) If you're looking for some, there's still over 100 of them in my BrickBay store, (URL) at the cheapest price (of BrickBay) too. :-) Does this mean I'm going to have to wait a year for my beams? (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.technic, lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ben Roller         (...) Read down the left side of: (URL) just above Eric's arm. :) Ben Roller (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Franklin W. Cain           Quoting from the article: "...builders will be able to build any three dimensional creation using free software to create building instructions for their model - and then order the appropriate number and type of bricks" -- Torben Ballegaard Sørensen (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                              Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti             What you said, Baby! I wondered upon these issues almost immediately. Are they reinventing the wheel, or reusing the wheel that has already been made? -- Richard (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                CAD formats (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek               (...) One hopes for the latter but fears for the former. We have a licensing problem with the parts library, which we need to address, quickly, IMHO, or stumbling blocks of our own making could prevent TLC legal from approving use of the LDraw (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                    Re: CAD formats (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney                 "Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G5561G.6xp@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) or (...) all (...) or (...) the (...) It would be great if somehow TLC worked with the LCAD community to develop this software, and allowed (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                    Re: CAD formats (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss               (...) The licensing issue doesn't matter, except for appearances/impressions (having a 'licensing issue' gives the impression that we might not play well with LEGO). LEGO doesn't need the LDraw parts library, they've got their own parts database. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jon Kozan             (...) LEGO has their own software for drawing sets. You can see the most recent use of it in the LEGO sculpture "present/ornament" they're selling/building at LEGOLAND this Christmas. I would suspect (but don't know) that if anyone wants (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Fredrik Glöckner             (...) I'm guessing that TLC uses the word "free" in the meaning "gratis", not "free" as in "Free Software Foundation". I would be very surprised if TLC are going to use the LDraw format. It has far too many difficult issues for them to use it. If we (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney             "Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:m3y9xt7q3s.fsf@...ldomain... (...) Hmm. As I just finished posting, before readin this, :-) ...it would be great if this software could import DAT files and convert them itself (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Fredrik Glöckner             (...) I wonder if I have missed something important. When I read the information in the press release that people can use a free modeling program to represent their model and then submit it to buy the parts needed, I thought this program would be (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Todd Lehman               (...) There's a strong chance that a mutually beneficial relationship between L-CAD developers and TLC may emerge. LEGO is keeping a very open mind about new data formats. My sense is that they not only want to be able to import LDraw .DAT files (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                      Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney                 "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:G55r47.8xK@lugnet.com... (...) There is an incredible opportunity there, I've had many conversations with people in the commuinty about what is there. I haven't heard from them about anything (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts — Tomas Clark                 Hello LUGNET, I wanted to let you all know that LEGO Direct is paying attention! There are a lot of discussions and meetings going on inside TLC right now about the issues mentioned in this thread. Hopefully we'll be able to post here sometime soon (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct) !!                                         Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —John Neal                 Welcome Tomas! Thanks for posting. It is gratifying to hear every once in a while that someone in LD really is listening in (at least in this group). -John (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Fredrik Glöckner               (...) I'm not too experienced with LEGO software, but I can't say I've had the impression that LEGO lives by those rules so far. Ok, so my hands on experience is limited to the Cybermaster unit, which needs specific operating system¹ versions to (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney             "Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrik.glockner@bio.uio.no> wrote in message news:qrdd7f5cwad.fsf....uio.no... (...) I don't believe you missed anything. That was an assumption on my part of how much potential I believe this system to have. If indeed TLC comes (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Haddock             Doesn't Lego already have their own LegoCAD software? I'm not sure what exactly it comprises or allows you to do, but it is a deritive of AutoCAD developed by Autodesk. It is available through DACTA and I'm sure is too expensive for an average user, (...) (23 years ago, 12-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ka-On Lee           (...) Wow wow slow down guys. That's just their objective. It will be a difficult job and they may only have a simple software for kids at the beginning. Frankly if they just provide a simple interface like BrickBay for each available part it would (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —John VanZwieten         "Ben Roller" <broller@mail.clemson.edu> wrote in message news:G54KBx.8K4@lugnet.com... (...) truly (...) various (...) I think people may be reading way too much into this. My guess is that "build any three dimensional creation" is analagous to (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney         "John VanZwieten" <john_vanzwieten@email.msn.com> wrote in message news:G55qKL.6ou@lugnet.com... (...) It probably won't mean *any* piece, but I can imagine that a good assortment of the most desired pieces will be made available. It would be silly (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —John Matthews         If LEGO offers all the 'desireable' parts, then they no longer are desireable. LEGO would never do this as it would kill off a good deal of their business, namely, AFOLs. Build On! John Matthews Tim Courtney <tim@zacktron.com> wrote in message (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Desirable parts (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Tom Stangl           (...) You're joking, right? Garage doors are desirable (highly). If they start selling them Bulk, they're STILL desirable. To BUILD with. I don't amass certain parts because they are desirable (that would be silly, as it would cost me way too much (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: Desirable parts (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Gary Istok             I agree with Tom, I doubt there is anyone with a larger inventory of rare LEGO parts than I have. Yet I am giddy with anticipation about getting more parts that are considered rare. Case in point: sloped bricks --- I have 140 regular sloped 2x2 blue (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: Desirable parts (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Eric Kingsley             (...) Ah finally a sub thread that makes some sense. Both Tom and Gary speak wise words. I will agree that as Bulk parts become available I will almost definitely cut back on the number of sets I buy but I will more then offset that with my bulk (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: Desirable parts (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Matthew Greene           (...) Tom and I often end up bidding on the same lots, he usually wins ;-( deeper pockets, but the point is that we both want MANY more garage doors, for building not collecting, hoarding or resaling. If I had the chance to buy more doors, I'd need (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: Desirable parts (was Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Tom Stangl           (...) Actually, I'll probably Ebay off about 50 or so of them sometime next year - I'm keeping the colors I DON'T want in order to trade the parts for the colors I DO want. I need very few clear/blue/transblue/grey slats, need TONS of (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek           (...) I'm not sure this is completely true, inasmuch as the desirable parts have intrinsic value (contrast with highly desirable collectible stamps). I for one will always value train windows at a non zero amount, because I actually use them in (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Wilson           (...) Very true. How many people would buy a metroliner or a black seas baracuda or any other so called "rare" set just because its "rare" and/or valuable? I certainly woudnt. There are only 2 reasons I buy lego: Because I like the design of the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Bryan Wong         (...) Actually, I think LEGO would benefit greatly (as in, money in their pockets) if they offered the desireable parts because they are simply desireable! However, I'd have mixed feelings about it. On the one hand, it's great that I can get huge (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek           Warning, uninformed speculation ahead. That annoys some people (and their annoyance, in turn, bemuses others). (...) I think this is the very MOST that we can hope for and it is in fact a stretch. Although no one can say for sure, the probability (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Bryan Wong           (...) Yep, I'm pretty sure most of us would agree that making *all* parts available would be ridiculously expensive (from TLC's point of view at least). (...) I have a feeling that those people talking with TLC about good parts are representative of (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Frank Filz             (...) Of course interestingly, the colors of doors available have never before been available, so the value of the existing doors probably has only dropped a little. Now windows on the other hand, well, grey windows used to be close to the most rare (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Christopher Masi             (...) snip a lot of stuff that I wasn't going to comment on (...) Weird, I want everyone in the world to copy my trolleys, my caboose, and my train engines (actually only two, maybe three, of them). I don't think anyone will but hey why not dream. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Kingsley               (...) You might be supprised. I was just checking out your trolley yesterday and I am seriously considering copying it either in total or at least using some of your ideas. I like it a lot and it may one day show up on a NELUG train layout. Eric (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin               (...) Is it... an electric trolley? We all know how popular those are. eric (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Kingsley               (...) Ooh... An inside joke ;-). Yup it is electric and it needs no "help". For those wondering here is Chris' trolley. I happen to like it a lot. (URL) Kingsley The New England LEGO Users Group (URL) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Gary Istok             (...) I agree with Chris, I too want people to copy my work (if they really like it). I have a lot of rare parts that would certainly drop in value if they were made available again, but then I could build a building with black or gray 1x2x2 (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tom Stangl             (...) I've seen this argument before, but I want hard data to back it up. We've all heard the bit about worn molds being cast into new build foundations to make sure noone can use them - not COMPLETELY true, as Lego displays a few molds here and (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kyle D. Jackson           (...) "Rare" can be somewhat simulated by "expensive". If they produce the "rarer" parts in smaller quantities, then those parts should cost more to produce. They should charge a correspondingly higher price. If they sell a 2x4 brick for 1 cent (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti           (...) You "prize" the wrong thing, in my view. You prize the collectability of the thing, or the elitism of owning the thing, and not the thing itself. That seems pretty whacky to me, considering we are talking about plastic toys! -- Richard (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mike Stanley         (...) So? If you "prize" these things for the reason I do, that you LOVE them, how could it be a bad thing to have them become available again? I value pitchforks pretty darn highly. I love the part and I wish I could have 10,000 of them. But it (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Sheree Rosenkrantz         (...) Well said! With the introduction of the Mickey Mouse sets, some Fabuland elements which had been near impossible to find much less afford became both available and affordable. It is a glorious feeling to have some elements that I thought I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Wait a Minute! (was: Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Charles Eric McCarthy       (...) Wait a minute! Nowhere does the press release state that you will be able to buy any piece in any quantity. It states "bricks." I think what they mean by this is the current bulk brick offerings. Maybe slightly augmented. Kevin Zwicker (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: Wait a Minute! (was: Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Andreas Stabno       (...) I would have to side with Eric on this one. Although I've been drooling over the possibilities of true bulk ordering, my suspicion is that the range of elements will be severly limited. Look for example at (URL) which shows models of the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Trobaugh       (...) Wow, very cool indeed! Nice write up on Eric, Henry, Todd and Suz. Glad to see you guys get the recognition that you justly deserve. jt -- James J. Trobaugh North Georgia LEGO Train Club (URL) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Kingsley       (...) Plus they have links to quite a few LUG's (but no LTC's?). (URL) to start designing some sets. Eric Kingsley The New England LEGO Users Group (URL) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Todd Lehman         (...) Hmm, that is odd. It looks like the list came from the dates page listing[1], which lists train clubs as well as general local user groups. Well, on that page I just added a graphic and a link to the world LUG Map, which includes the new (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek         (...) Something like "if you wandered in here from the pressrelease <backlink>, that list is incomplete and may be out of date, click on the globe for a complete list" Journalists aren't always the greatest at connecting dots and drawing inferences, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Todd Lehman         (...) Good idea! --Todd [xfut => lugnet.org] (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.org)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss       (...) US-centric (and LUGNET-centric). The only international mention (other than TLC employees) is of ITLUG, UKLUG, and VLC. A couple of glaring omissions are De Bouwsteen and the German community at (URL) (specifically, (URL)). Steve (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Wilson       (...) Cool. (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jennifer L. Boger       Wow, congrats to all :) Nice pictures too ;) (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.org)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Noeckel       (...) In the year 2002 the LEGO Renaissance will be upon us… The possibilities will be endless! (Unless quantity, size, color or piece availability restrictions occur.) I do believe that this concept has been proposed in the past, but it appears as (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Wondering about creation rights (Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Mark Sandlin       (...) Suppose you do that. I bet you a 1200pc bucket that LEGO then lays claim to the rights on your design. I remember reading something about "imbursing the creator," but it was pretty vague. Still, if I can order any piece in any color, I could (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: Wondering about creation rights (Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Steve Martin       (...) If you are want to get pieces for a design, but don't want to give out the design, one could always do the design, get the piece count, and then build something unrelated that used the same pieces. Steve Martin (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: Wondering about creation rights (Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Richard Marchetti       Actually, TLC should state right up front an established amount of money for the designers of sets that could be broken down by the numbers of elements in the design. There is an obvious savings for them if they are able to reduce the number of set (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: Wondering about creation rights (Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Steve Martin       (...) This amount is likely to be quite miniscule. Something on the order of less than $1 per copy of the set. (In the recording industry, artists usually get a dollar or two per album sold. And that is with the amount being written in a contract.) (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Chris Leach       (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Robin Werner       This is great news, it look like people are getting recognize by the LEGO Company. There is a new hope for AFOL in the future... Maybe more support for LUGs, LTCs, group events and conventions? Who knows, time will tell? Robin Werner Greater Florida (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Chris Leach       (...) Hey Robin,You are right about helping LTCs,Brad has offered help(plates etc.)for our train show next month.He said they are have helped train shows in the past(PNTLC and others)and will increase this help in 2001. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Sandlin       Hooray! Hmmm, LEGO is using Quicktime for their video. Hopefully they aren't going to leave us Mac users out in the cold when the Design-your-own software comes out. Still, I stand and applaud their support of... US! Yahoo! ~Mark "Muffin Head" (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Darrell King         (...) If push came to shove you could always use virtual PC. I don't see how they could avoid the mac though. Darrell King (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Sandlin         Yeah. I could BUY Virtual PC. Hmm... Only $239.99 if you want the latest version. *sigh* ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Gary Gerdes         (...) Mark Or you could just renounce your bohemian ways and come over to the MS dark side. - Gary (hope to see ya at Wayne's next weekend) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ross Crawford       (...) And another word I hope they'll not overlook - Linux, Linux, Linux, Linux!! Regards, ROSCO (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Martin       (...) I wouldn't hold your breathe. They don't even support Windows2000. Bummer. And I REALLY wanted to get the MovieMaker set. Steve Martin martinsa@mail.com (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Nathan Falslev       This is the part that gets me excited! "In 2002 LEGO builders will be able to build any three dimensional creation using free software to create building instructions for their model - and then order the appropriate number and type of bricks." (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mike Walsh       "Nathan Falslev" <nfalslev@netscape.net> wrote in message news:G54o7E.GuF@lugnet.com... (...) creation (...) How about the part where it states that all instructions to sets from 1955 onward will be available online? Second paragraph on this page: (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ben Roller         (...) www.brickshelf.com. It seems like LEGO (if they do it right) is going to make those scans obsolete. I'd like to hear from Kevin on this issue. Ben Roller (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tony Kilaras           "Ben Roller" <broller@mail.clemson.edu> wrote in message news:G54pu9.KEz@lugnet.com... (...) 1955 (...) make (...) Perhaps Kevin's site will somehow be involved. (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek           (...) Perhaps. I have good reason to believe that TLC uses Kevin's site now, internally. Or perhaps (the scan part of) Kevin's site will be made obsolete. I suspect that if TLC did a bang up job, it would not bother Kevin too much, running (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tony Kilaras             (...) I have been referred to Kevin's site by TLG when I asked for a copy of old instructions. (...) I have my doubts as to how far back the official Lego archives go. I would be impressed if they have instructions going all the way back to 1955 (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Heather Patey           (...) They certainly use the gallery - a link to the Globe and Mail article ("Dot-com crowd loves LEGO") that I scanned and posted there in August was on their media links page for this press release. (URL) just about died when I saw it. (...) It (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kevin Loch         I am curious as to how they plan to do this. Of course it's already true to a large extent. KL (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Christian Gemuenden       (...) "Within a year building instructions for LEGO sets developed since 1955 will be accessible online." It does obviously NOT say the following: ---Within a year building instructions for *all* LEGO sets... I rather read it this way: ---Within a (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Wilson       (...) I would imagine that the folowing might cause problems: 1.licenced sets like SW (lucasfilm might not want the instructions to go online) 2.promotional sets (like the shell gas station sets) 3.sets that they have lost the instructions for or (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Mizner       (...) Oh. My. I just can't help but feel that everything is about to change WAY to quickly for any of us to keep up. OK, I have to much to write, and to little time to write it (or type-who cares). Don't you guys realize what this means for all of (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Fredrik Glöckner         (...) I don't think you can expect any such effect. Keep in mind that there's more to a LEGO set than the parts included and the main model. There's also the box and instruction artwork, specialized minifigs, cartoons, the theme itself, as well as (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Martin         (...) Basically, this is all about the economic side of things. Who cares? This is a free market. People will buy what they want. As much as I have used and appreciate what AucZILLA, Brickbay, etc. have done for making available specific pieces and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Sandlin         My concern is this: If I design a set and post it, and it's extremely popular, what do I gain from it? Will LEGO give me a royalty on it? Will they instead reward me with bricks? Publicity? A job? If I submit my own design and stand to lose my (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Andy Lynch           ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Sandlin" <sandlin@nwlink.com> <snip> (...) me (...) <snip> I would hope that Lego would use the same idea that they are using with the Brickilizer, that is, we post the design ( or image in the case of the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti         (...) Rights? I don't disagree with your fundamental assertions here, Mark -- but what exactly do you think happens when you post several detailed images of your stuff to the internet? Sure, maybe some people write to you and want either the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell           (...) If you did this to one of my GoB sets, and I find out about it, I _will_ take you to small claims court. _I_ own the design, period. If you come up with something similar, fine. But, if you take from my design, and it is not enough different (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin             (...) Really. So if I look at the Guild of Bricksmith page, and copy one of your designs, and place it in my living room, you're going to take me to court? Good luck not getting laughed at by the judge. You do realise that you have to prove some (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Brown           (...) Well, I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think you've got much of an argument here. As long as I credit the creator, and am not republishing or selling their work, then you're out of luck trying to sue me. If I build a model based on pictures of (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell           (...) That's like saying, as long as I credit the band who wrote the song, and don't sell the CD, I am not breaking copywrite when I copy a CD. It ain't so, and I think it is fairly plain to see that that is not so. As for the comment above, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell             (...) (oops, missed a bit here, someone _else's_ CD that you are copying, not your own copy...here, at least, it is perfectly legal to make multi copies of a CD you own, but not any copies of one a friend of yours owns...) James Powell (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Brown           (...) Nope, that's not what I'm saying at all. I'm probably not being clear enough. To mirror your analogy, I'm saying that as long as I credit the band who wrote the song, and don't try to sell or republish the song, I can sing the song myself, as (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Frank Filz             (...) At some level, you are correct, but there are definitely areas where you can run afoul of he law: - patents. There isn't any "fair use" type of clause for them - if you take a picture of your copy of someone else's MOC, and publish it, you may (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek           In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Brown writes: <snip> Hopefully this will blow over as I think we're mostly all saying about the same thing now. I missed the call to move to .debate just now but here is a response I put in to Lars Brandt (whose (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell           (...) For 99.99% of it, I do think we are on the same page. For that little .01%, I believe occasionally one might be forced to take a stand in the same way that the music industry does. James Powell, Bricksmith. (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Martin           (...) And that is one thing that I want make sure is happening. I want TLC to be able to make money. If they aren't making money, it will mean that they will go under, to be bought out by someone else. I think that as much as TLC policies sometimes (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Sandlin           (...) That is to be expected, and that wasn't the point I was trying to make. I'm not offended by people copying my designs for their own private enjoyment. Suppose LEGO claims rights to any sets you create using their service. Suppose they go on to (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Paul Gyugyi           I buy lego sets for the designs, and for the experience of building someone else's design. I really feel that building a set is a form of performance art, and the lego instruction developers are true artists, and it is fun to see things come (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti           (...) You mistake the idea of appreciation with patronage -- and those are NOT the same thing at all. Did Michaelangelo serve as patron to Leonardo? An overblown example, but you get the point... -- Richard (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Lars Brandt           I've been reading this thread with interest. The PC industry was created when Compaq reverse engineered the BIOS chip on the IBM PC back in the early 80's. All other components of the computer were bought from other sources. The only chip IBM (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek             (...) Well said, Lars! That's it exactly! I think this is the stance most in the GoB take. If you'll recall, there have been people in the past who copied my first publicly sold model. That's fine by me, and I said so at the time, as they were doing (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Alex Farlie           (...) Intresting comments. I heard rumours that one clones manafacturers 'reverse enginered' a brick by scanning into a computer with a laser type scanner. Of course TLG/TLC got em fair and square in the courts.. Perhaps TLC/TLG might want to have (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kyle D. Jackson         (...) That's the real legal question. One where there may be lots of precedent (in some countries) but may still be taken on a case-by-case basis. The pieces are patented (I'm not clear on LEGO's current patent status, I seem to recall its scope (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Sandlin         (...) <snip> (...) <snip> I'm thinking I could probably blame that on Tom. ;^D ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.fun)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Mizner         (...) This is incredible. I have created a self-sustaining argument over Lego rights. This is actually, in a strange, twisted way, funny. I never thought that debates like this would carry over into Lugnet. And never intended to start a debate in (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Mizner           (...) This message is for any messages SUPPORTING Lego designs being traded freely, without any costs. Reply with your arguments here. (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Mizner           (...) This reply/thread is for the posting of messages from people who believe that everyone's creations are theirs only, and must be paid for. Please post your replies HERE. (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney         (...) Why not take this over to .debate?? -Tim (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Franklin W. Cain           (...) What he said. :-/ Thanks, Franklin (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin         (...) Because, as a LEGO issue, it's not "off-topic"? eric (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —David Eaton       (...) Ok, I'm not sure how it's bad yet... (...) That's because you might be able to get one cheaper, I assume? Is that bad? I'd call it good... (...) That's actually pretty good, too, since now I can buy the instructions (or get 'em off brickshelf) (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin       (...) You know, I was curious about this. So I emailed my friend Neil-- (as an aside here, Dave knows Neil, but to bring the rest of you up to date: I went to college with Neil, and we still play RPGs and wargames together on a regular basis. Neil (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jonathan Wilson       (...) Definatly cool! Of course there is bucklies chance of this coming down under for the forseeable future. (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kevin Wilson       Jonathan Wilson wrote in message <3A2DBF9B.B4FBF12F@t...com.au>... (...) Look here: (URL) and you'll see this: "The LEGO Shop at Home, the largest LEGO store in the world, offers consumers from Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Germany, Ireland, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tony Kilaras       "Suzanne D. Rich" <suz@baseplate.com> wrote in message news:G54HvL.382@lugnet.com... (...) So that's what having your mind blown feels like. The possibilities become endless. The quest for the holy grail is at an end. I'm sitting here trying to get (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss       (...) Wow. I never expected to see this post from Tony K. If someone had told me about it before I read it, I would have told them to get their eyes checked. :) Steve (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tony Kilaras       (...) Hola! Yes, I am still here. Been mostly lurking because I have found few posts of interest to me (re: Star Wars, the new 2001 monstrosities, etc.) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Suzanne D. Rich         (...) It is nice to see your name appear, Tony. And on such a happy note! :-) -Suz (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss       (...) Yes, I saw that you'd posted a few message over the last few days. My impression of you is a general skeptic - you'll believe something when it happens. So I was a bit surprised on the message you posted. Not a bad surprise. Just a surprise. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts - web design issues —Kevin Wilson       Suzanne D. Rich wrote in message ... (...) But the way they implement their press releases is just WEIRD. All the video and hi-res pictures are zipped (and of course since the original file formats are already compressed, they only get about 5 or 6% (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts - web design issues —Claus Thiim       (...) Indeed... I don't know if I'm alone here, but the zip files are corrupted and won't decompress fully. I'm using a Mac, and LEGO hasn't been very friendly to Mac-users in the past, so maybe everything's just normal... <shrugs...> (...) Odd... (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts - web design issues —Kevin Wilson         Claus Thiim wrote in message <051220002144501196%...ja.com>... (...) The zip files are OK for me... I just object to the pointless extra step. Kevin (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts - web design issues —Mark Sandlin       (...) Well, they appear on the desktop as a Simpletext document, but if you drag the doc on top of your Quicktime Player icon, it will open and you can watch the movie. HTH ~Mark "Muffin Head" Sandlin (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts - web design issues —Claus Thiim       (...) Mark Sandlin wrote: (...) Stuffit is the culprit... it's claiming the ZIP files are corrupted... Oh well... If LEGO wants me to watch their little movies, then they can post them online like everyone else does... The days of downloading a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Peter White       (...) After the behaviour that followed the release of the MOSAIC facility, one wonders what wacky set designs people will come up with. Those naughty naughty parts dealers ! But it certainly is a great leap forward. Hopefully TLC will keep trawling (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Martin       (...) I agree. Funny how that works out. --Steve Martin (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                I can't read it! No cookies —David Simmons       I have my browser set not to accept cookies so I cannot access the page. Could someone possibly copy the relevant text and post it here? Thanks! Dave (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: I can't read it! No cookies —John Neal         (...) Why not just enable it? -John (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: I can't read it! No cookies —Larry Pieniazek         (...) There's a lot to copy, and little benefit to most from doing so, I suggest that the most efficient thing to do may be for you to go to the front page, turn cookies on, read the stuff, then turn them off again. Or just leave them on. ++Lar (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: I can't read it! No cookies —Suzanne D. Rich       Yes, Dave. I'll put the press release and related text documents here: (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Harvey Henkelman       (...) Will this reverse the 'juniorization' trend in our Train sets? Only time shall tell. I was just about to post a message saying that TLC has truly given up on trains (my opinion). But when I came across this, it really lifted my spirits. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Daniel W. Gregg       Speaking of lifting spirits, I'm right there with ya'! With the lack of new trains and town sets for 2001, I was feeling a bit down. The revelation of being able to build your own sets lifts TLC back upon the pedestal I placed them on in the early (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Yvonne Doyle       did i read that correctly ... does that say that all the instructions will be available on line ... i can't wait .. that means instructions for the 1817, 1475, old maersk truck etc. i sincerely hope it includes all these promotion sets oh it will be (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ben Rogers       (...) This is excellent news! I can see an excellent possibility with the release of instructions on-line, perhaps there will be a 'Buy the parts for this set' button along with each set's instructions? i.e. they might essentially end up (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Daniel W. Gregg       How about LEGO stickers? Will actual ones be available? Dan dandman1@concentric.net (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Sean Harrington       (...) If they would even issue PDFs of the stickers so that they were scaled properly, that would be awesome. I'd print them out myself on the color printer and use them. The custom generator for the Silver Champion stickers doesn't work at all: (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                      Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin       (...) If you do buy sets purely to build with, why does the eBay market getting hurt make you sad? I buy sets only to build with, and hurting the eBay market makes me neither happy nor sad. The only thing I see in it is that I can finally buy sets (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tom Stangl         Just keep a good watch on ebay, especially ebay.de. I managed to pick up a Metroliner, Club Car, 4539, extra circle of track, 10 extra straight track sections, and 2 track switches. No boxes, but all instructions. Cost? $160 SHIPPED from Germany to (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin         (...) Well. Certainly that is a good thing for you, but it's also an exceedingly rare occurance. It also kinda misses the point of what I was writing, which is not "I want a Metroliner but don't want to pay"; rather, it was that with two collector's (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Sean Harrington       (...) I guess, because I attribute my newly re-acquired AFOL status to being able to get the sets I missed on eBay. Now that I can afford them, I'm glad that eBay exists, and that people still trade MISB kits. On the other hand, you're also right, (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Martin       (...) Did any else notice the statistics in the "Dot-com crowd loves Lego" article? (URL) article quoted Shannon Hartnett from TLC - "She said U.S. sales to this group are up close to 8% from 1998, and nearly one in 10 Lego buyers is now a grownup, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Scott Arthur         (...) I am really surprised by this too - especially since a lot of AFOLs, more or less, do not buy all that much new Lego. Even sales at 10% would surprises me. Come on Brad? You must know! Tell us your secrets (the Lego ones). (...) Me too. Scott (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss       (...) I wouldn't be surprised if "one in 10 Lego buyers is now a grownup" is really just a translation of "10% of our sales are for consumption by adults". 10% of sales is still a whopping good margin, when you consider the impact AFOLs can have as (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Mark Rideout       (...) Anybody know what the "Request BETA copy" link is for at the top of the following page: (URL) BETA copy of what? the 3D modeler? -mark (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin         (...) A BETAMAX format video of the vid clips? eric (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Kevin Loch         No, probably a Betacam SP format video tape. That's the most common (analog) professional video format. It uses Betamax form-factor tapes but the tape material, speed and format is completely different. KL (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin         (...) Uh. I was mostly joking. I haven't seen a BETAMAX tape since.... well, since the first place my family used to rent videos from, which was back in... crap. I dunno. '85? '86? I figured it was a marketing thing, though, since the main purpose (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Alex Farlie         In additon to your comments the page syas something about Issue #1. Perhaps Lego took up the idea a fan- web zine? (after all the non-action when I tired to get an independent one started :-) !!) In regard to 3D Moddeler software, Why do we need yet (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss         (...) Now *there's* an idea I can get behind, and fully support. :) Steve (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney           "Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:4blv2toer0dgb6l...4ax.com... (...) I'm behind that one too. :-) -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com (URL) - Centralized LDraw Resources (URL) - Zacktron Alliance ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney           "Steve Bliss" <steve.bliss@home.com> wrote in message news:4blv2toer0dgb6l...4ax.com... (...) A more serious analysis would conclude that TLC could do something better themselves, but as of yet we don't know their exact intentions with this software (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Koen Jordens             I hope they don't support lcad, I hope they get rid of all those Lego computer games and concentraty on making cheaper lego blocks and better models or perhaps they won't be around next generation. Koen (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss           (...) Actually, that's a debatable conclusion. Not that I want this to go to .debate. TLC definitely has the *resources* to put into such a project. So it's not impossible that they could come up with a better LEGO CAD. But I'm not sure that it's (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —John Neal           (...) Pardon my ignorance, but what do you suppose that they are using now to create their instructions? Do they not have some system in place which they are already using? -John (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Tim Courtney           "John Neal" <johnneal@uswest.net> wrote in message news:3A313617.3B094C...est.net... (...) From my understanding, the instruction program is only for the purpose of making instructions, and all of that is done in Billund. I think that the program is (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                        (canceled) —Ralph Hempel                        RE: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ralph Hempel           (...) How far we have come along in a year..... I can remember Michael Lachmann's post (and I'm paraphrasing) where he wanted to look for a robotics application to program now that MLCad was stable :-) Many of us (myself included) encouraged Michael (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                        RE: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Ralph Hempel         (...) How far we have come along in a year..... I can remember Michael Lachmann's post (and I'm paraphrasing) where he wanted to look for a robotics application to program now that MLCad was stable :-) Many of us (myself included) encouraged Michael (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.cad)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Bliss       (...) I clicked the link (hey, why not), and yes, it's a way[1] to request 'BETA tape'. I assume it's what Kevin posted, a professional format video tape. (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Wayne R. Hussey       (...) Hooray!!!! I'm not sure my comments won't fall into the 'me too' folder, but this means a lot to me. It appears that within the next couple of years, LEGO will cater to the needs of builders like me. This means I can seriously imagine getting (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell       (...) Simple. The instructions retail for $. Therefore, if you wish to make this object, you have to pay me the $, or someone who has already paid me for it, has to sell you there copy of the instructions. The only reason why we have Brickshelf is (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —John Rudy       (...) I think what James is saying here is that if you copy his design outright and sell it. THIS breaks copyright laws, and is comperable to selling bootlegged CDs. (...) You would be fine, again, using this for your own enjoyment, but not to sell. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Steve Martin         (...) Only if you include your modification about selling it. BTW, where does the law stand if I buy a legitimate set of plans for a set. I then put together 10 copies of the set out of loose bricks I own and sell them. I'm I in the wrong? Is this (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell         (...) The same as doing it with software. You own the rights (in my case) to make unlimited copies for personal use. You can sell the instructions (with or without the bricks) but if you do so, you must destroy all copies in your possession or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin         (...) If that were what he was saying, I wouldn't care- in fact, I would agree with him. But it's not, and his response to me bears that out. (...) That's great for them. I really don't have a problem with these guys selling the sets, especially (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell         (...) As long as you are not looking at a photo of my (for sale) work when you sit down to build it, I don't care. Go ahead and copy the ideas from my skyscraper, or my (very old) sketches of the RPO (you'd have to _dig_ to find a copy, but it is (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin           (...) As I said before, good luck with that. I don't think you really can "copyright" an arrangement of someone else's patented materials. Let's keep that in mind here, folks: we are *not* talking about music. Music is a naturally occuring thing. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek             (...) (URL) an official GoB statement, just my opinion. I can dig up where I said the same thing some time ago if you think it's helpful... For those that want to give a go to copying my work for their own enjoyment, there's lots of info at the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Dave Schuler             (...) certain designs re: construction block toys are open season as far as duplication or near duplication. MegaBloks and Block-Men are the current offenders, of course, and their use of the 2x4 brick, nearly identical to Lego's design, has been (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Scott Arthur             (...) Are you saying you would not post the pictures as you want to keep your copying antics secret, or because we’d not be interested? (...) The only problem I have with people copyrighting their own designs is that we have all most all benefited (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell               (...) I think it would be kept secret because it would bring out a lot of bad blood. I mean, come on...if you want one of my sets, buy it. It's not like I am selling them for a excessive amount, when you start looking at the parts prices I have paid (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin                 (...) No, as I said before, out of simple disinterest. If I build a copy of something someone else built, what is the point of discussing it? What purpose could discussing it possibly serve? What would I gain as the poster, and what would people (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell                   (...) No. I would be upset if you went and copied the entire set from the images provided to help sell the set on my web page. (see below) (...) Guild (...) Yes, I do understand that other members do not feel exactly the same. I would be quite (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin                   (...) So, in other words, "yes". 1) Fred decides Fred likes your design, and would like to have it in his train layout, in his basement. Fred has an extensive LEGO collection already, though, and has all the parts he needs. 2) Fred sits down with a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek                 (...) Um, I'm not sure I disagree with James about anything. I'm mildly upset and disappointed when someone chooses to copy my work, but I'm also kind of flattered. Neither of those emotions translate into my actually *doing* anything about it, as (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin                   (...) This is where you're making your mistake: We aren't talking about someone selling sets that resemble GoB sets. We *are* talking about someone building the set FOR THEIR OWN USE without buying it. I agree completely that if someone copied one (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Larry Pieniazek                   (...) I can get upset if I want. I can be flattered if I want. I can be both at the same time if I want. I can do so for any reason or no reason at all if I want. What I won't do (and what James won't do) is *do* anything about it, other than (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Charles Eric McCarthy                   (...) That's not how I read (URL) James' later posts. I think James is saying he will take you to court if you look at a picture of his creation and try to build it out of your own bricks, even if you don't then sell it. Later he backpedals slightly (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Scott Arthur                   (...) Why does it disappoint you? I've spent all my working life trying to get others to copy me. (...) I doubt LEGO will put GoBed sets in the shops. Or if they did, they'd dumb them down a little - would have accept that at even 0.006 / brick? (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Brown                 (cross-posting to o-t.debate, this falls in between the cracks, I think. If it moves more Lego-wards, please drop .debate, vice versa if it moves more off-topic. Thanks) (...) OBDisclaimer: IMHO! I don't know James' mind(1), or yours, but FWIW, I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)                                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Matthew Greene                 (...) I think I understand what the point is but, we are usually working from a picture or the actual building/engine and I don't see credits that the model is representive of a pix in Model Railroading or the the XYZ building in town A. When is a (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)                                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Scott Arthur               (...) Yes. This is what I was thinking - I jsut did not type it. (...) By copied, I assume you mean re-drafted - otherwise it happens all the time. (...) But could Lego not argue that you are using/adapting thier ideas to build your sets - eg click (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti               (...) Hah! Man, I am so glad you said this instead of me. I have been laughing out loud for months over this... =) Anyway, maybe it's ironically fitting -- it kinda says it all. I dunno. People here get SO serious about stuff. I agree that giving (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Eric Joslin             (...) Because you most likely wouldn't be interested. If someone else creates something, and posts it to Lugnet/Brickshelf/the internet in general, I wouldn't see the reason to post pictures of my copy of it. What's the point? If I think it's (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Scott Arthur             (...) That is what I thought you meant. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Christopher Lindsey             (...) Eh? Copyright does equal patent; they're two separate animals. Go take a picture with a camera. Is that photo Kodak's (or Fuji's in my case) now? Or Nikon's? Both the camera and the film are patented... Same with painting a picture. Betcha the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti           (...) A HUGE point. It kind of reminds me of Duchamp's "ready-mades", or whatever -- the placement of a urinal in a museum as if he had sculpted it himself. Legos can be seen as a kind of medium, but it's a very dictatorial one at that... In my own (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —James Powell           (...) OK, so _everything_ has no copywrite? Is this what you are trying to tell me? That, because I only took something physical, and put it into a new arrangement, like these Electrons in the computer, that I don't hold any rights to exploit my (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti             (...) In a way, there are no copyrights -- not actually. Rights are sustained by belligerent contest in court, and less formally by social custom -- but the idea that others will ACTUALLY not copy your work is illusory. Trust me, it's true. And I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti             (...) In a way, there are no copyrights -- not actually. Rights are sustained by belligerent contest in court, and less formally by social custom -- but the idea that others will ACTUALLY not copy your work is illusory. Trust me, it's true. And I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                            Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Paul Sinasohn           In lugnet.off-topic.debate, James Powell writes: <SNIP> (...) <SNIP> Actually, you might have copyRIGHT, but I'm not an IP lawyer, so I can't say for sure. Paul Sinasohn Writer and Instructional Designer - Editor when required LUGNET #115 (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Lars Brandt           (...) James, This is the most absurd position I have ever heard. You would get upset with me if I saw one of your models on the Internet and tried to build it myself with my own lego bricks, in my own room? I don't think Lego would particularly care (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Bruce Schlickbernd           (...) I can make a copy of your work, looking at your photo or not, but that's about as far as it goes. I cannot sell a copy of your work. I cannot obtain an illegally duplicated copy of your instructions on how to build your work. I cannot publish (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                        Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Selçuk Göre         If somebody can sell an exact copy of a official lego sets, using the bricks from other sets, as "without box and instructions", I think anybody also can reproduce and sell all of the models around the net, including GOB sets as "without (...) (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —David Eaton       (...) Umm.. no. James' position is more like the whole Napster/Music thing. Should I be able to play an artist's music whenever I want without paying them for it? Can I burn my own CD's of their music for my own personal use? Can I sing their songs (...) (23 years ago, 6-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Jeff Johnston       (...) This last one seems to me to be the most relevant in this case. If I sit down with my guitar and pluck out the beginning of "Enter Sandman", it would be completely ludicrous for Metallica to sue me for it - and if the law believes it is (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Richard Marchetti       (...) Baby, it always was... A lot of bad law is coming down in terms of intellectual property primarily because the main participants can afford to assert their views. And as far as the computer industry is concerned -- the whole thing is built on (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.general)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Lars Brandt       Does this mean I should stop looking for those $500 Lego 7750 trains on eBay, where all I really want are the big red train wheels? You know, if it sounds too good to be true... (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                    Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Wessel Burgers       (...) I think you have a very valid point here! If we will be enabled to create models using any part that has ever been created, it will mean the end of those ridiculous prices you see on Ebay... However, I doubt that that will be the case. I can't (...) (23 years ago, 7-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct)                aslo: new Technic product shown! —Christian Gemuenden       Hi! I wonder why so far nobody has mentioned the new LEGO Technic product that is shown in one of the large pictures of the photo gallery. Looks like we will get more Cyberslam-like stuff later this year. I copied the relevant images into the (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                      Re: new Technic product shown! —Ronald Vallenduuk         "Christian Gemuenden" <GECH1@t-online.de> wrote in message news:G5985A.8z7@lugnet.com... (...) I guess it's becoming harder and harder for those LEGO guys to come up with another car, another heli, another tractor, another..... Maybe with ZNAP going (...) (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —Steve Chapple           (...) 8425 and 8836? Nah - the best Technic plane is <set:8855> IMO I'll bet you a Technic piece of your choice that you won't be able to order the parts for THAT one. That prop attached to a gear piece has to be one of the most rare pieces going. (...) (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                            Re: new Technic product shown! —Jim Hughes             (...) You are completely right about the Prop Plane <set:8855>. Not only is it the the best Technic plane but it may be the best Technic set period. It is only 1 of 2 sets in my opinion that are perfect in both form and function. The prop assembly (...) (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                            Re: new Technic product shown! —Jonathan Wilson             (...) Here are some other very rare technic parts... locking rings from 8880 as used in the suspention white suspention arms from 8865 and there are plenty of rare system parts including the monorail cover from the airport shuttle. And there are (...) (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                                Re: new Technic product shown! —Gaurav Thakur               (...) The 8858 has a small gear rack with two lobes on one side which is used for steering. I think that this piece is only found once as well. (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                                Re: new Technic product shown! —James Powell             (...) If you are going to include printed parts, UNICEF 1x3x4 panels in blue. I _think_ that they are amongst the rarest post 1980 pieces made. I haven't a clue as to pre 1980 stuff, esp. for survival. (...) Well, there were around 6K of the panels (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                            Re: new Technic product shown! —Ronald Vallenduuk           "SRC" <LEGOArches@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:G59zL1.83v@lugnet.com... (...) Maybe this one: the tailplane of 698, the Boeing 727. Do colors count? If so, I have a clear 2x4 plate, god knows what set it's from. (If anyone knows...) Duq (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                            Re: new Technic product shown! —Carlo Ottolina           "Duq" <Duq@nlgateway.net> wrote in message news:G5BGrI.Iuu@lugnet.com... (...) 6392. It's the table on the first floor.... Cheers Carlo. (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                            Re: new Technic product shown! —Ronald Vallenduuk           Nope. Definitely don't have that one. I was never that big into the town sets, and stopped getting them around '83... Duq "Carlo Ottolina" <kruntz@tiscalinet.it> wrote in message news:G5Bu8q.Mu7@lugnet.com... (...) it's (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —William Bell         (...) As a Technics fan I completely agree with the the above comment - that's why the Starwars 8000, 8001 and (especially) the 8002 sets were such a revelation for me. I'd like to see more of this kind of set and a shift away from 'Technics' (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —Jonathan Wilson         (...) This I like, lego needs to make technic sets with more mechanical parts and less decorative parts. I dont mind vechicles but they need to get away from all of these sports cars, racing cars, motorbikes, construction equiplent (like those (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —Jennifer Clark         (...) Oddly enough, I do actually agree with you here - I really like it when someone comes up with something that is not a vehicle with Technic. Saying that, it could well be argued that the Star Wars droids are in fact also vehicles, but then that (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —Jonathan Wilson         (...) Well given whats popular how about a technic police car, ambulance, fire truck, rescue team or something. There are lots of emergency service/rescue type toys out there so they must be popular... One thing that I would buy without thinking if (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —Jennifer Clark           (...) Sounds pretty good to me. Lego have already had a fire engine in the Technic range, and people sometimes mistake my red mobile crane for a fire engine, so does that count? :-) I like the idea of an ambulance - what functions would you have in (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: new Technic product shown! —Fredrik Glöckner         (...) I wouldn't recommend exposing the pneumatics in the LEGO Technic Search Sub (8250/8299) to water. I had some pneumatics when I was a child, and it was all ruined from exposure to water. Perhaps the new style pneumatics is higher quality, (...) (23 years ago, 10-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                    Re: aslo: new Technic product shown! —Kevin Wilson         Christian Gemuenden wrote in message ... (...) Because most of us couldn't care less about yet another fighting machine series? Kevin (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                        Re: aslo: new Technic product shown! —Juergen Stuber         (...) As for the model aspect you are completely right, but look on the bright side: it comes in colors that don't hurt the eye, and there seem to be some nice parts in it. Jürgen (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                    Re: aslo: new Technic product shown! —Lindsay Frederick Braun       (...) If you look at the "Cyber Sriker Part II" on the left, notice the semi-"lower jaw" lookin' thing. That looks an awful lot like the Bionicle Finger that has the .mecha folks in a tizzy. Perhaps the Bioncle Hand isn't a prefab assembly, but a (...) (23 years ago, 9-Dec-00, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.technic, lugnet.year.2001)                Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts —Leonardo Zide       (...) The library they use for the instructions is too complex to be used on a PC. Leonardo (23 years ago, 8-Dec-00, to lugnet.cad)                LDraw & TLC (was: Re: LEGO Company Welcomes Adult LEGO Enthusiasts) —Todd Lehman     [revisiting an old thread] (...) This is kinda what I meant: (URL) My sense is that they not only want to be able (...) Actually, I'm not entirely convinced that LEGO's own proprietary modeling format will necessarily be text-based. Naturally, I (...) (23 years ago, 1-Mar-01, to lugnet.cad.dev)

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