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Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Greg Kramer

So I know Busy Bee got in a lot (apparently several hundred) Blue Hopper Cars last week (or so)... and they're all gone now. I'm just curious about this phenomenon. Anyone know who found out first, and how? Who's our "patient zero" that started this (...) (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Michael Edwards

Hello there I know that Busy Bee only order 300, I am a BB regular, they also be getting some 2150, 3225 in soon, i think they may be able to get more 4536, but that will have to wait. And i know that one person have order 200 of these hopper cars, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) A very small part of me wishes I had noticed this so I could pick up 4 or 5 of them, mainly for my own use. Then again, I've never quite gotten into the whole freight train thing, so I don't know what good these would do me with nothing but (...) (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Walsh

Greg Kramer wrote in message ... (...) I found out about their existance quiye by accident. About a month ago I was trying to find a 4555 Freight Loading Station and happened upon this web page: (URL) I called Busy Bee I was informed that they (...) (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) the list, must have been recent. (...) 2150's won't be long now I don't think. (25 years ago, 4-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tony Priestman

(...) There now. And 3225s. Latest news is no more 4536s. (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) Yeah I know, tried to upload the latest update and my web page server is down - damm you freebie sites! They are running out of loads of train stuff, they've just sold out of 4555 and 4552, 4525 is low - the end of an era. Pity about the (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) That is a little sad... then again, since I couldn't really see myself building any, I didn't buy any. But I don't really see anything *wrong* with people who bought 30 and end up selling some to offset the cost of theirs. Now someone who (...) (25 years ago, 7-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Frank Filz

(...) In some ways it would be nice if Busy Bee discovered the internet... They probably should have sold the 4536s for a bit of a premium and captured some of the proffit, since after all, they're the ones who managed to dig them up. Of course (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

Simon said: (...) Thanks for the defense, Frank... My plan is to use these hoppers to accomplish two goals. I will sell enough off to pay for what I bought plus a little extra, but that should leave me with 20-30 to keep easily. I am also giving the (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Walsh

Has anyone in the US actually received their Blue Hopper sets yet? Mike - mike_walsh@mindspring.com (URL) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

RE: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mark Benz

no -----Original Message----- From: news-gateway@lugnet.com [mailto:news-gateway...net.com]On Behalf Of Mike Walsh Sent: Friday, October 08, 1999 6:47 AM To: lugnet.market.shoppi...ugnet.com; lugnet.trains@lugnet.com Subject: Re: Blue Hopper Car (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Walsh

Mike Walsh wrote in message ... (...) Following up on my own post ... when I got home this evening my shipment from BusyBee was on the island in my kitchen. I am now the proud owner of six 4536 Blue Hopper Cars. Mike - mike_walsh@mindspring.com (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) Sell or auction? (...) That's a good idea. No problem with that. (...) Well Paul just did a standard profit margin on what he paid for them - since LEGO Denmark had them on the cheap because they wanted to clear them out - the end price was (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

I figured I'd let this percolate for a while before I responded. First a side point, auctioning IS selling. What else would it be? You all know my stance on it, it's the fairest way to allocate a scarce quantity. And it is a kind of sale. Now, I'm (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Good for you, good for him. Good for everyone. Down with whining. (...) You shouldn't have, unless you wanted to. I've known about BB for a LONG time. I've never felt the urge to order from them even for some Castle stuff I might have wanted, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Scott Edward Sanburn

This whole subject is a rehash from a debate from a few months ago, but it keeps surfacing... (...) I hope not as well. Larry is as sharp as ever. I love reading both of your responses. It is refreshing to see people of your caliber (both Larry & (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Well, that's very flattering. But I don't even know if I qualify as a disciple of Larritarianism (sp?). If you ask people who know me I just *think* I never make mistakes. (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John Neal

(...) All Hail Larry! To become a Larritarian, one must merely send along the brick offering to Lar. Larritarians make misteaks like everyone else; just not Larry;-) -John, speaking for Tom and (Gary) -John (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Steve Bliss

(...) Drat! I sold all my technic half-pins. Those would have gotten me in for sure. Steve (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) You'd get in because you had good intentions. But then you'd be given tasks where you could not hurt yourself, because what I actually NEED scads of are the 1.2l pins (technic loose pin on one side, open top stud on the other) I have a (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) I'll try to find it, but if you can give me an LDraw part # for this I'll hold any I come across in breaking up sets for you. (...) Hrmmm... any color, but only the top half. Ok. (25 years ago, 12-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I believe it's this one: (URL) >I have a standing offer on those, as well as on 1x2 tilting top hinges (...) Whoops? I want both halves. It's a tilting-top hinge... I just hate hyphens so I omitted it. so I want the top and bottom halves of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Steve Bliss

(...) identified as "Technic Pin 1/2". :p Steve (25 years ago, 13-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

<slrn806rtr.6kl.cjc@...s.utk.edu> <38040341.B0CCD15D@voyager.net> <3804e2ee.530068915@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Which is "wrong", right? That is, it's the LDraw name, but not a (...) (25 years ago, 13-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Steve Bliss

(...) Right, it's inaccurate. A better name Would be "Technic Pin 1/2 with Stud". That would match up with part #6587, Technic Axle 3 with Stud. Steve (25 years ago, 14-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.cad.dev)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Edward Sanburn writes: OK - as your posting was mostly just an 'I agree' response to what Larry wrote, I wouldn't have thought of replying to it - until I saw this. (...) The following applies to you Scott, Mike (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) or: (c) Don't always have enough time to spend on a well-reasoned reply that will ultimately fall on the deaf ears of someone whose opinions are simply wrong-headed. (...) Most people who actually engage in debates have no intention of being (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Scott Edward Sanburn

Simon, (...) Heaven forbid I might use a word. (...) As I do yours, but I digress. (...) I can tell you things about political name calling, but I don't feel like bringing that up again. (...) First of all, Simon, I was not really replying to you, I (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John Neal

Scott Edward Sanburn wrote: <snippage of some pointless flames [come on, guys]> (...) This is just a random post to something Scott said, but it made me think of why I was a Liberal and why I'm not completely Libertarian. It has to do with stuff. I (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Scott Edward Sanburn

John, (...) Pointless, yes, as always, but still there. I'm used to getting crispy every now and then, part of debate, I guess. (...) I don't think it is wrong. If that's the way they want to be, that is their right, unless the government intervenes (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) Fairness was moist emphatically not enforced in the USSR. Marxism has never happened. (...) I wonder where you get your figures. My figures say the costs of administration of the US welfare system are about 2% of the total sum paid out. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) and mine say they can go as high as 70%. 2% admin for a US government program? Laughable. (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Scott Edward Sanburn

Last I head, from the Congressional Budget office figures, about 7 out of 8 dollars go to the administering of the programs, not the recipients, so whenever they talk about putting more money there, it is for the people running it, not the people on (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher Lannan

(...) whenever (...) Not only the huge costs of dispensing the money in these programs, but I have heard that 50% of the money that the IRS collects is spent collecting it. That seems like a terrible waste to me. Flat sales taxes anyone? Chris (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) Sales tax, at least for the state (Michigan) is flat. How about a flat income tax, or a consumption tax even? Anything is better than the awful monstrosity of the Federal tax system. Scott S. "I have worked harder than I ever have in my entire (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher Lannan

(...) have (...) That (...) of (...) you a (...) I guess that's what I mean- there would be no taxes except for about a 20% sale tax on most things (I know there's going to be folks saying what about this and that, milk, diapers, should folks on the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —John DiRienzo

Christopher Lannan wrote in message ... (...) it. (...) income (...) monstrosity (...) no (...) the (...) the (...) it (...) Instead of spending our time figuring new dumb ways to tax people, I have an idea (1)... how about not taxing people? I like (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) A nice idea, true, but one that is impractical, as of right now. I would love not to be taxed, but I don't think it is practical. Our current society needs to pay for certain things (I.E., military, roads, etc.), but not in the way, the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher Lannan

(...) to (...) There has got to be a better way. A drastic measure is not such a bad idea. Its too bad, I think, that our current system of govt/economy is so established at this point, and protects itself so jealously, that really we probably won't (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Discussion (Was: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —John DiRienzo

Christopher Lannan wrote in message ... (...) have (...) lot. (...) the (...) or (...) there (...) waste. (...) love (...) needs (...) the (...) anything (...) miserably- (...) we (...) bad (...) Unfortunely, (...) herself. (...) anyway, (...) (...) (25 years ago, 13-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: Hmmm - interesting. Some good points there about what actually happened with the blue hoppers. Unfortunately, although you've responded to points made by several other people, you haven't directly (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) OK, what if I buy up ten of them now at $35 each from Larry or wherever with the intent of holding them for a year and selling them for $60. That's still a useful service. There are a whole slew categories of customers that would be receiving (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) That's an interesting one, which you could argue on both sides. Oddly, the service you'd claim to be providing here is as much as anything a redistribution service - from people who want sets now to people who may want the sets next year (...) (25 years ago, 13-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Cute. I think the difference is that one is voluntary. (...) I guess what you're talking about is whether there is a net benefit. Clearly I'd be benifitting some people - the ones who buy them from me. (...) This must be why I prefer the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

A few nits. Clarifications, really. (...) And as long as it doesn't violate the rights of others. (remember, free goods are not a right, nor is it a right that you must accept custom from anyone) (...) or fraud. But of course I hold fraud to be a (...) (25 years ago, 13-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Well, I sort of meant that if everyone affected by the deal agrees to it, then nothing else matters. I assume you agree that you can waive your rights if you so choose. (...) I know that Libertarians are into the Force 'n' Fraud phrase, and I (...) (25 years ago, 15-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) If you're asking me for a legal definition, I'm not sure. but my common sense opinion is that common sense is indeed required. (...) Here I think i am on a bit firmer ground when I say that I think, legally, saying something is one way when (...) (25 years ago, 15-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —James Brown

(...) Hmm. What about selling stock off in advance of the release of bad news? This happened quite recently with Correl Corp... Shortly before they announced lower than expected profits (dropping the stock price), the president sold off 1/3 of his (...) (25 years ago, 15-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) You seem to imply there's a difference between being 'wrong' and being 'unsavoury', but I can't see any difference in principle - perhaps a small difference of degree in that 'unsavoury' implies a smaller amount of wrongness. Also, aren't you (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) OK, I guess I don't know what 'wrong' means in a judgemental sense. I'm not even sure that I'm willing to acknowledge that it means anything. I'll listen if you want to define it though. If someone hurts my loved ones I'm pretty liberal in (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) I'm not so sure of that. Once you've got the sets that you're (hypothetically) planning on holding for a year, there's nothing anyone who wants to buy the sets earlier than that can do. This redistribution may have been instigated by a private (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) OK, it's as voluntary as anything ever is. I don't feel responsible to make things better than they can be. (...) Well, I don't think anyone is harmed - unless I spend so much that I can't buy groceries. So the net benefit of the transactions (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John DiRienzo

Christopher Weeks wrote in message <380B0F8D.112B4FA6@e...se.net>... (...) may (...) it (...) given (...) road, (...) I gotta agree - if somebody dies because of a person's actions, whether intended or not, they are still dead. Instead of locking (...) (25 years ago, 26-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Taking this remark out of the post.. So what you're saying is, someone, not the state, should have the right to decide that a) someone is guilty b) that the crime deserves death c) that he has the right to do this. So essentially, a random (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Frank Filz

(...) As I understand what Larry has been saying, and from my own thinking, I do not believe that the position held by Christopher is a Libertarian position (but I may be wrong). (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John DiRienzo

Frank Filz wrote in message <382AD2AD.1587@minds...ng.com>... (...) Frank, I think you are right. What Christopher is saying sounds a little anarchist or something, but definitely not Libertarian. -- Have fun! John The Legos you've been dreaming (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Same thing. And just as silly. Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Jasper, stop trolling. :-) We've discussed what Libertarianism is and isn't in some depth, and you know darn well that it is not anarchy or anything like it. (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) What else would I do on sunday nights? ;) (...) The longer I think about it (and speak to some slightly more hardcore libertarians over on other places), the harder it gets for me to distinguish (hardcore) libertarianism from anarchism. The (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Scott Edward Sanburn

Sorry, I wanted to write something, decided not to, and hit the wrong button. Scott S. (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Christopher L. Weeks

Sorry, I've been gone for a week. I had to go back and read what I was talking about to address this. (...) It's much easier for you to do what you want with it that way, right? (...) Well, first, it was kind of a flippant remark, and second, no. I (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) It's also good netiquette. (...) If you come home, find someone there, and shoot him, you have shot down an innocent man and therefore deserve to be punished. That is what "innocent until proven guilty" means. (...) The US. Socialist. Please, (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Dave Schuler

(...) Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but I'm having trouble getting my head into the space you're describing. Let me try a different example to see if I understand your position: Suppose someone is in the process of stabbing you in the chest with the (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) ^^^^ (...) Only is the key word here. In the case I was responding to, there were other options. At least, I read it as such. Jasper (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Dave Schuler

(...) Whew! Gosh gosh gosh, I don't know. I'm afraid I'm having difficulty keeping my knee-jerk response separate from my intellectual one. What if, in the earlier example, the rape victim fought off her attacker, and in the process killed him? Who, (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Who doesn't? (...) Short answer: I dunno. That bit requires much further thought. (...) Yeah, it is. Jasper (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

Message-Id: <slrn83cdbc.bqp.cjc@...s.utk.edu> User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) (...) Hunh? Rape ought to be a capital crime anyway, but if a rape victim, as in someone who is at that moment being raped, fights off her rapist and kills him in the (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) No, it oughtn't. That's another discussion, but it does colour my thoughts here. (...) _If_ there is any proof that there was, in fact, a rape goping on. The situation isn't what makes it gray, it's what can be made to look like the same (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Frank Filz

Jasper Janssen wrote in message <383e047e.247832761@...et.com>... (...) attacker, and (...) Please note: my discussion below is not intended to diminish the impact of rape or attempted rape on anyone. Something to ponder in thinking about rape as a (...) (25 years ago, 21-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Nope, sorry. That sounds like something you'd hear on The Practice or some other lawyer show. Rape doesn't (normally) occur as a result of miscommunication. I can't speak for everyone, but even the times when I've had what some might call (...) (25 years ago, 21-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

(...) I think I'll drag out an example which by your legal code I suspect I would not be able to drag out because I would be dead... Several years ago, I was driving home from Thanksgiving, and had had a frustrating drive (try losing your alternator (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Simon Robinson

(...) I'm curious. Just out of interest - don't you have anything in the States equivalent to the UK's AA or RAC? (You pay a fee - anything from about £40 ($60) per year upwards then whenever you break down anywhere, someone will come out to fix it. (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Wrong. (...) Yikes! (...) In what way was that not bright? I think you behaved correctly - unless you were overly aggressive. (...) Wow, that's pretty dramatic. I've been a clerk at a gas station and we had a button that called the cops in (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Sorry, I meant that as a joke. I should have included emoticons ;-) (...) Well....I disagree. But he was proven guilty. He proved it to me by raping my wife. Under your world view, what would be the appropriate response to finding yourself in (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) He was proven guilty to you because you saw him. When was it that you said "I don't want to play judge, jury, and executioner"? Oh, right, four messages up. (...) I'd probably start off by grabbing a poker and trying to beat him senseless. (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) If you're going to quote me, please have the decency to do so accurately. I said "I wouldn't say that anyone (or everyone) should have the right to be judge, jury, and executioner." That statement means that I do not support a system of (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) Sorry about that. I figured it was a fairly accurate representation of what you said. (...) I agree, absolutely. (...) True. But I'd still like to see at least an attempt made to do it via the legislated channels first - mostly because of the (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —John Neal

(...) Uh, we don't *know* that. Figures please. -John (...) (25 years ago, 20-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Scott Edward Sanburn

(...) Well, why did you cause such a ruckus at an attendant? If the hose was leaking, and there was a problem, I would have pointed it out in a polite manner, regardless if I had a really bad day or not. I would have stopped the pump, told the (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

(...) Perhaps I should have clarified what I did a little better. I didn't start out to cause a ruckus, but it is hard to be totally polite when you're tired and way past ready to be home and in bed. I think I started by pointing out in a reasonably (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) Pulling a bloody _gun_ on someone because you believe he may trying to cheat you out of a few dollars of gas is _not_ lawsuit material? Sheesh. And I thought you could sue for virtually anything (and epxect to win) in the US system.. ;) (...) (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

(...) I wasn't meaning that wouldn't be lawsuit material in todays world. I was meaning it shouldn't be lawsuit material. At least in todays world of holdups etc. his actions were NOT unreasonable. He also never AIMED the gun at me (just made it (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Larry Pieniazek

<38344C17.6EF@mindspring.com> <FLFAC8.B34@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (...) We don't have very many widely available plans that generous. However, we DO have a number of plans that offer (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher L. Weeks

(...) Right. Plans like Larry describes are common as dirt. (...) AAA+ will tow you up to 100 miles and costs about $90 per year. If you drive very much (I do) then it is well worth it. Even new cars can have problems. Chris (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

<38344C17.6EF@mindspring.com> <FLFAC8.B34@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit (...) Unfortuanately at that time I didn't have AAA. Now I do. I'm not sure that they would have gotten my car fixed (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: socialism etc. (was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

<38344C17.6EF@mindspring.com> <38355C1E.55A6BED2@eclipse.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) It was not a kid. No I didn't bother to do anything about it. I doubt I would have been successefull. (...) (25 years ago, 19-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) Yes. Neither you nor I are capable of judging motive. We don't know why Fred ran over Sam, or why Dave ran over Paul. The only people who know that are Fred and Dave, respectively. All that we can do is judge the action. Actions are (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

(...) Unfortuanately it seems to me that to have a workable society, we have to attempt to judge intent. Without judging intent, either murder is not a crime, and we can't punish anyone for being responsible for someone elses life ending, or there (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) are (...) You're making assumptions. What if the penalty for murder was deportation? Or 5 years of community service? No one says it has to be prison for life. Also, there's no reason why there can't be 'state-mandated'(1) circumstances under (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Frank Filz

(...) Ok, I was making an assumption that we want the maximum possible penalty for murder. It still means that we must treat all the above listed people the same as the person whose intent is unjustified murder. (...) Ah, but to do so, you're making (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) Hmm. I don't see that as being intent-driven, but circumstance-driven. It (to me) is a difference between "thou shalt not kill, unless you didn't mean to" and "thou shalt not kill, except under clearly defined circumstances" (...) Ok, to stick (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) Cop is alone when incident happens, cop goes to jail. Cop is with more than one person who swears he saw the crime committed, cop doesn't go to jail. Cop has a partner who swears same for him, which didn't actually happen. Cop doesn't go to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) I don't get it. If you're intending to debate, please provide reasoning to support your examples. Otherwise, please continue to troll away. James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) You said your syustem was fair and provided examples. I provided counterexamples. Happy now? Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) No, I said it was *more inherently* fair. I still stand by that. (...) Yes. :) James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Christopher L. Weeks

<FJv3A6.J77@lugnet.com> <380CC30F.6FA2@mindspring.com> <FJv84y.79J@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) It appears to me that if the why behind a cop shooting someone is that a predetermined (...) (25 years ago, 21-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) Explain how "stepping on the accelerator to speed up" and "driving along, without stopping" are the same. Discuss this further. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) ?? They aren't. How is that relevant? James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Jasper Janssen

(...) ^^^...^^^ (...) ^^^...^^^ (...) So please explain how they should be punished the same, since this is what we were talking about, and there are observable differences in actions. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —James Brown

(...) I agree with you. They shouldn't be punished the same, as their actions were different. BUT that isn't what was being talked about. The discussion was about whether judging by action or judging by intent was more fair. From the original (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

In lugnet.market.shopping, Larry Pieniazek writes: OK - I'm not the same Simon :) but I'll bite on this one. I've been watching the way things have gone with the blue hopper cars with some growing concern - and I don't think everyone here has (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tony Priestman

On Fri, 8 Oct 1999, Frank Filz (<37FDD0C1.1B37@mind...ring.com>) wrote at 11:08:49 (...) I've pointed this out to them several times. It's really refreshing to deal with a shop which isn't just in it to screw as much out of everyone as possible. The (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

That is really good of them. But what would be nice in that case would be if they could be persuaded - when they know they've got a rare old set that is in heavy demand - to restrict the numbers of the set that they will sell to any one person, in (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Nah, too much trouble. I know *I* wouldn't bother doing that if I were a retailer. The point is to sell your stock on hand and make a profit. If Larry or anyone else wanted to artificially limit the number they would sell to people, fine, or (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) I'd like to think that you'd regard doing business as a bit more than that. There's two sides of it: A. Making a profit, and B. Providing a good service to your customers. Both are important. Selling all your stock no matter who to may be the (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Walsh

Simon Robinson wrote in message ... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) you suggest with both Halloween Buckets and Star Wars LEGO sets. The limit was two per person. I don't know how they enforced it but there was a sign in the Star Wars aisle stating that (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) And in many cases this is an almost completely empty gesture meant to stop the obvious scalping (or the non-persistant scalping) and the whining of parents who didn't make it to the store on time to get the coolest new thing their kids must (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) You know, you don't have a gods-given right to purchase DVDs on the cheap. Just thought I'd mention that. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Well, any rights I do have weren't given to me by any god, God, goddess, or pink elephant. Thought I'd mention that. (...) I'll address this more fully in response to Larry's post, which, while wrong, was a bit more thought-out than this one. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) You know, he's saying exactly the same thing I thought, and then figured you'd be smart enough to infer from the smart-arse reply. Guess not. I'll explain more fully: You don't have _any_ right to a _promotion_ cheap DVD, other than what the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tony Priestman

Folks, I don't think this belongs in loc.uk any more. On Thu, 11 Nov 1999, Jasper Janssen (<383bacc7.242438643...gnet.com>) wrote at 11:50:50 (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Wow, thanks. (...) You're certainly right about that. (...) Well, I think that's debatable in general, and ridiculous with respect to me and my household. I haven't paid full price for any of the 50 or so DVDs I own. Heck, I haven't paid half (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Just nitpicking here but the amount the retailer nets as profit may be slightly more, or slightly less. It depends on a number of factors such as what the cost to take an order is, the cost to fulfill an order, how much less one box costs than (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John DiRienzo

Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) This reminds me of when KBKids.com had the X-wings for half price because of some pricing error. I ordered one, and nearly had a friend order another one because it was such a "good deal". But when it arrived, (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Well, if you want to get rid of it.. Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Naji Norder

(...) Mike, I certainly don't disagree with you. I have "bent" purchase resrictions myself. (Marcia and I both bought Voodoo3s with the mail-in rebate; I used my parent's address.) However, I think that the fact that the "end result is the same" is (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Actually, my wife and I do maintain separate DVD collections. She has the movies she likes, I have the movies I like. My collection is a great deal larger than hers, but then again, she's not into movies like me in the sense that she doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 13-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Yeah well, you jibe at me, I jibe back. Can't help it. (...) Yes, they should. (...) It'd still be ok then. (...) The end result is the same, though. Therefore, in my opinion at least, it is wrong. (...) Exactly. (...) A bit less, actually. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tom Stangl

<slrn82mo7i.75t.cjc@...s.utk.edu> <FL3EHw.BM9@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit However, Mike has noted before that his and his wife's choices in movies are quite different, so they might as well (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Yup. I like (and may soon buy) Horror movies - she can't watch them AT ALL. I also like other really violent mobster movies - she doesn't. About the only place we intersect fully movie-wise is Sci-Fi. She likes Musicals for Pete's sake. Ught. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Naji Norder

Then I see nothing wrong at all - or at least no more wrong than our voodoo3 purchase. My wife and I both maintain our own computers, and we both happened to need video cards at the same time. Naji (...) quite (...) my (...) the (...) the (...) (...) (25 years ago, 16-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I THINK he meant me, and I missed it the first time (1). Anyway... <bzzt> It's wrong. You're cheating the organization when you use different shipping addresses to make it look like you're not in the same household. Thanks for playing, though. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

One item per... (was: Blue Hopper Car Mania) —Paul Sinasohn

(...) However, in your dotage you are forgetting to use the spell check functionality of your e-mail software, if any. :-) Seriously, I have to disagree with you, Larry, on the "one per household" item referenced above. If I ship to my work address, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: One item per... (was: Blue Hopper Car Mania) —Larry Pieniazek

(...) just nitpicking here, but c/forgetting/choosing not/, ok? I don't need a spell checker. I don't make misteaks. How many times to I have to tell you people that? I may have to make it my tagline (1). 1 - as if it wasn't already. (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Troy Cefaratti

(...) While I agree that cheating the company when you are actually a family is wrong, I also think that the method of limiting something to one per address is also wrong as well. If you are married, even if you have seperate paychecks and seperate (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Nah, I don't see it being any different. It's a stupid rule either way. The fact that my wife and I are married makes us no less separate consumers than Bob and his roommate Phil. A stupid rule, but one I choose to accept, mostly. (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Ben Roller

(...) I pay $28 per year to keep a PO Box on campus at my college even though I no longer live on campus for this reason. We get all of the bills at home, but since both I and my roommate are AFOL with separate collections, the LEGO gets shipped to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Lot's of places won't ship to PO Boxes, though, right? I wonder ... what would people who think using a work address as a shipping address would think if say I had a job that required me to travel most of the time, being in another city for (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Ben Roller

(...) Well, sort of. Ours is technically not a Post Office as the USPS defines a Post Office (sort of like the whole space vs. Space thing). It's the same as a mail room at a large business and they can also accept UPS and Fed Ex. They sign for our (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Frank Filz

(...) The mail box place I used when I first came down to North Carolina and was living in a hotel for a few days, set up the addresses as "suite 110". (...) Wow, that's a stupid way to limit things... I'm pretty sure that some of the vanity domains (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Yup. Most places that will host your domain will also forward mail to any address at that domain to your main account. I use a different e-mail address for each online store I order from and for various other things. That way I can more easily (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) My unlimited email addresses scheme: vi /etc/alias;newaliases Jasper (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Ok, I THINK you're responding to something else I wrote above that, maybe me saying Rachael and I could use our different work addresses as shipping addresses to get around a one per household deal. Certainly you're not saying that if I get in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

The fact that a rule is stupid or even that it costs the company sales when it is adhered to is irrelevant. If the company promulgates a rule and makes it a part of the implied contract between you and they, you are bound to abide by it or be in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Intewrestingly, a vast majority of IP protected works do Not allow resale (without prior written consent from the publisher). From my copy of Asimov's Foundation: "This book is sold subject to the condition that it shall not, by way of trade (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Oooh, good catch. So that means all those used book stores are technically fencing goods obtained illegally (because the sellers weren't allowed to.) How did I miss that one? I used to shop at used book stores all the time back when I was (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) So the used bookstore I bought my copy from (and the person who sold it to the store, I assume) were violating the terms of that "contract" ? Cute. Hardly enforcable, but cute. (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) You mean you don't shop at used book stores now that you aren't poor? Wow, I can't imagine, no matter how much money I have, ever not shopping at used book stores. Not that I don't buy new books (mostly off the net now) all the time as well (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Oh, I'm still poor, just not as poor as I was before. I WOULD shop at used book stores if I had the time. But it takes more time per title acquired than buying new. I STILL shop at used CD stores. (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Ah, I understand. I picked up my copy of the IEAK 5 resource kit locally even though I knew I could get it for 25% less online, but I needed it sooner rather than later. Not the same maybe, but I've also bought things at a store knowing I (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Frank Filz

(...) Wow! I've never seen something like that. I guess you need to keep the book in a lock box (you would be in trouble if a thief stole the book since you have allowed it to circulate without the publisher's prior consent). I wonder if this (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Doug Finney

(...) Yep, sort of like all those "Promotional Use Only" CDs and LPs floating around in used bins the world over that "legally" remain the property of the record companies and can't be resold. Doug (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Will Middelaer

(...) Of course, as far as a book that a publisher sells, this is entirely unenforcable to keep you from re-selling the book, at least in the United States thanks to the doctrine of "first sale". The relevant part of title 17 US CODE 109 (a) states: (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Crosspost Spamming (Was: Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...) —Richard Franks

Disclaimer: These views are my own and not necessarily those of market.shopping or loc.uk, they are also not directed towards any individuals - the message I'm responding to is just the latest! It is just a *teansy* bit irratating that there have (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Charles Eric McCarthy

(...) I may be in breeches, but don't pour any beer, small or otherwise, in them. :-) On a serious note, if the company only wants to mail one per address, then getting one sent to every address you know of *is* following the rules and is not a (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

Larry Pieniazek <lar@voyager.net> wrote: (sorry for not removing .uk before now) (...) I agree. I just see the end result as being no different than if I had one shipped to work. But that's the funny thing about morals - we bend ourselves around (...) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I have no idea. I'd happily split hairs with you on this but we've gone below the power of my scope to resolve, hairsizewise... :-) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —James Brown

(...) You mean you can't come to a resolution, or are you simply not focused enough? James (URL) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.pun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jasper Janssen

(...) Wouldn't this depend on the type of roommate situation? I'd say, if the only thing they have in common is the address, than sure, separate households. If they have a private room in the house, but share living quarters, then they're not. (...) (25 years ago, 17-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John Neal

<slrn82mot5.75t.cjc@...s.utk.edu> <382B8EE5.742C8EB@voyager.net> <FL2IBt.4FA@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) Yes;) -John (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.pun)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —John DiRienzo

I have to side with Larry (and Mike, too I guess). I am sure companies use these limits (one per person/per household) to maximize the effectiveness of their special deal. They are within their rights to make up such rules, and you are within your (...) (25 years ago, 12-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Richard Franks

(URL) agree with Tony, I don't think this belongs in loc.uk anymore folks. Richard (25 years ago, 13-Nov-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Sorry, I don't demand all this touch-feely crap from the businesses I deal with. I want to call them up, buy whatever they are selling at whatever price they're asking for it, and not be bothered with, "uh, let us check our list to make sure (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk, lugnet.off-topic.debate)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tony Priestman

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Simon Robinson (<FJBD82.DyF@lugnet.com>) wrote at 02:21:38 (...) I agree, but they don't know that sort of thing until someone tells them. I couldn't believe it when they said that 250 were going to America just for 2 orders. (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) Ha ha. Thanks for your support - though I don't think you're going to endear yourself to many Americans with comments like that. If what you say is true then I find that very sad. But what concerns me is that so many sets went to just two (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) I guess I've missed it or not paid attention - but what exactly was the cost per set (in dollars or pounds)? I know shipping has to be figured in at some point, but is somewhat offset by us not having to pay your ridiculous VAT. (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) The sets retailed at £8.99 each - Which works out at roughly $14. If you knock VAT off that I make it about $12. I guess someone in the US would have to confirm whether that is about what they actually paid. (...) Simon (URL) (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Not a bad deal. If I weren't covered up in sets to break up for my own projects and for auction I might have picked up a few as trade material. At this point I don't have the shelf space to buy sets just to turn around and sell them, at any (...) (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Walsh

Simon Robinson wrote in message ... [ ... snipped ...] (...) [ ... snipped ... ] To get them to the US they cost £7.65 (about $12.50) plus shipping. Shipping was a little over £4.00 each on my order so the total cost to buy them and ship them to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tom Stangl

(...) Ah, but BB isn't owned by Lego, or they'd only be selling to Brits. I can't buy from Canada S@H, or any other S@H service BUT the US service, so you've got nothing to complain about. (...) Oh, quit your whining! From what I gather, you live in (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

Tom, next time you post a response to something I write, it might be an idea if you try READING the message you're replying to BEFORE you put your post in. If you read mine a bit more carefully you might notice that I was actually defending the (...) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Maybe. But you ARE whining. (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Robinson

(...) Am I? I had a look back through my posting that this is (I think) about. In it I remarked that I was glad for the people who'd been able to benefit from BB by buying blue hopper cars (implying: no matter which country they were from). I (...) (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mike Stanley

(...) Sure, I could. But you're already convinced otherwise, so why bother? Maybe I'd agree more with you on the "Busy Bee and other stores should limit the numbers of sets sold to any one person" issue if I were more attached to the item in (...) (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tom Stangl

OK, fine, next time I won't just reply to one particular posting when replying about the general feel of your posts. After reading several of your complaints, I'd had enough. It's really none of YOUR or MY or anyone's else's business how BusyBee (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) Wrong - these hopper cars haven't been 'available' since July - when those 2 ordered theirs - they were the only one who know about them at that time. I've also ordered a whopping 10 as well. (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tom Stangl

Then there have been multiple batches at BB. I know of someone that ordered some in July. I ordered mine in October. Quite a spread there. (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I THINK there was only one batch. I first heard about them from a reputable source in August, at which time the order to Lego hadn't yet been placed by Busy Bee. (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) Correct, there's been only ONE batch of blue hoppers - that was all 300 at once. There are multiple batches of all the other stuff like 1831 Maersk Trucks, etc. Different items in each batch. What happened is that Busy-Bee placed their order (...) (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Michael Huffman

(...) If they're made out of LEGO, does it matter if we send helicopter gunships? :) (25 years ago, 9-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Tony Priestman

On Sat, 9 Oct 1999, Michael Huffman (<37FF7B2F.180036CF@...ring.com>) wrote at 17:28:15 (...) Good point. You don't have shooting cannons, do you ;-) (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Steve Bliss

(...) No, but we have the Top Secret Millennium Falcon concussion missile plans. More than a match for those namby-pamby shooting cannons. Steve (25 years ago, 11-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.loc.uk)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) These are auctions not sales: (URL)Many people may not (...) I know that's a problem, Busy-Bee do want the ability to accept e-mail orders in the near future but would you trust your credit card numbers in an e-mail - there lies the trouble. (...) (25 years ago, 8-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Jonathan Wilson

(...) They should get a secure server set up. Then there would be no problem. -- Jonathan Wilson wilsonj@xoommail.com (URL) (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Simon Denscombe

(...) I agree, they've investigating it - but it's expensive. (25 years ago, 10-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)

Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania... —Mark Harrison

Hi Greg, Pat Linnero posted a message to rtl and Lugnet on the 13th August about all the great sets that Busy Bee was possibly able to get. I must say that I was surprised by the lack of discussion this info generated, but probably everybody else (...) (25 years ago, 5-Oct-99, to lugnet.market.shopping, lugnet.trains)