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Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...
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Wed, 17 Nov 1999 23:23:49 GMT
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Sorry, I've been gone for a week. I had to go back and read what I was
talking about to address this.
Jasper Janssen wrote:
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> On Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:17:03 GMT, Christopher Weeks
> <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote:
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> > Uh, sorry, I mean they should be put down. (But not by the state since
> > there shouldn't be a death penalty.)
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> Taking this remark out of the post..
It's much easier for you to do what you want with it that way, right?
> So what you're saying is, someone, not the state, should have the
> right to decide that a) someone is guilty b) that the crime deserves
> death c) that he has the right to do this.
Well, first, it was kind of a flippant remark, and second, no. I
wouldn't say that anyone (or everyone) should have the right to be
judge, jury, and executioner. I do think that the law should be
forgiving of certain violations of the normal law.
If I come home and find some guy raping my wife, and I shoot him, I
shouldn't be punished. Not at all. Now, it would be reasonable to
investigate to make sure that a rape was really in progress and not
something else.
> So essentially, a random person can just decide to kill someone, just
> because they believe the guy to be guilty (note that lynching mobs
Sometimes.
> You've all gone bloody insane. Fine, try out you "libertarian"
> society. I'd just like to reserve the right to nuke the whole
I'm not really a libertarian. Replacing our socialist system with what
I understand as a classical libertopian one would be an improvement, but
it doesn't go far enough.
> continent into oblivion when (not if) it goes horribly wrong, and the
> danger of swarming americans trying to take over little pieces of the
> world becomes too great.
Since a system like the one I advocate hasn't been tried, I'm willing to
entertain that I might be wrong and that it might not work. If it
didn't, I would evaluate what went wrong, and work to correct the deficits.
What's unreasonable about any of this?
Chris
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| (...) It's also good netiquette. (...) If you come home, find someone there, and shoot him, you have shot down an innocent man and therefore deserve to be punished. That is what "innocent until proven guilty" means. (...) The US. Socialist. Please, (...) (25 years ago, 18-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) OK, it's as voluntary as anything ever is. I don't feel responsible to make things better than they can be. (...) Well, I don't think anyone is harmed - unless I spend so much that I can't buy groceries. So the net benefit of the transactions (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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