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Subject: 
Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
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Date: 
Mon, 18 Oct 1999 17:21:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Simon Robinson writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
This must be why I prefer the market to work things out.  I don't think
motives matter at all.  It is demonstrated to be 'good' because the
market rewards that behavior.

Ha ha - I thought I'd get challenged on that one. I think when assessing
the morality of an action, it's crucially important in principle to take
motives into account.

For example:
Fred is driving back from work. It's been a hard day, which is why he's
tired. He makes the mistake of driving a bit faster than he ought to, given
his weariness, which is why he runs over Sam (who was just crossing the
road) and kills her.

Dave is driving back from work. He spots Paul up ahead, crossing the road,
and thinks 'that's the git who used to pull faces at me in school'.
So instead of slowing down to let Paul cross, he deliberately accelerates,
and runs Paul over and kills him.

Both actions have exactly the same consequences. In both cases the driver
was in the wrong - but is anyone seriously going to argue that Fred's
'wrongness' is as bad as Dave's?

Yes.
Neither you nor I are capable of judging motive.  We don't know why Fred ran
over Sam, or why Dave ran over Paul.  The only people who know that are Fred
and Dave, respectively.  All that we can do is judge the action.  Actions are
observable, and judgable, intent is not.

James
http://www.shades-of-night.com/lego/



Message has 5 Replies:
  Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
 
(...) Unfortuanately it seems to me that to have a workable society, we have to attempt to judge intent. Without judging intent, either murder is not a crime, and we can't punish anyone for being responsible for someone elses life ending, or there (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
 
(...) are (...) You're making assumptions. What if the penalty for murder was deportation? Or 5 years of community service? No one says it has to be prison for life. Also, there's no reason why there can't be 'state-mandated'(1) circumstances under (...) (25 years ago, 19-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
 
<FJv3A6.J77@lugnet.com> <380CC30F.6FA2@mindspring.com> <FJv84y.79J@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) It appears to me that if the why behind a cop shooting someone is that a predetermined (...) (25 years ago, 21-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
 
(...) Explain how "stepping on the accelerator to speed up" and "driving along, without stopping" are the same. Discuss this further. Jasper (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
  Re: Motive vs Action (was Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...)
 
(...) ?? They aren't. How is that relevant? James (URL) (25 years ago, 11-Nov-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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  Re: Blue Hopper Car Mania...
 
(...) I'm not so sure of that. Once you've got the sets that you're (hypothetically) planning on holding for a year, there's nothing anyone who wants to buy the sets earlier than that can do. This redistribution may have been instigated by a private (...) (25 years ago, 18-Oct-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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