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LEGO has provided ILTCO with early pictures and set information for the new 10170 TTX Intermodal Double-Stack Cair. Vist (URL) for more details and pictures. Mike PS: LEGOFan is also previewing this set at: (URL) lugnet.trains (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.announce.iltco) !!
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"Mike Walsh" <mike_walsh@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:IFv07D.trJ@lugnet.com... (...) new (...) more (...) The piece count and exact release date were not available when this information was published but will be updated once LEGO provides (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm pretty disappointed with those containers. I'd have expected them to use the recessed doors they've used in the past. I do like that the cars are built up, though, rather than single pieces. Jeff (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I wouldn't be buying this set anyway, but I'm really getting tired of TLC's excuses to AFOLs. "New molds cost too much" was the old refrain, but now it's "an inability to produce new colors of those parts in our current financial state". Where (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Thanks for the news and pics, Mike. These look nice & beefy. Looking forward to the yellow ladders and 1x2x2 yellow thin walls. Glad to see that TLC is still able to reach out to train fans with the current state of business. And, glad they (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Sure, would have been nice, I guess, but I'm more understanding than some (or, to the cynics and naysayers out there, a bigger sucker). I'll be buying a few just for the TTX stickers though, there are a LOT of TTX car types out there... (...) (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Mark, please please don't take my desire to break down the wall and share information with the community as "excuses" or dishonesty. (...) Things aren't as simple as that. New parts, more than ever before, are designed in a wholistic mindset. (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) These are nice - I'll definitely be buying a set or two. I think the ends of the cars need a little work, too many studs for my liking and the narrowness there bothers me a bit. Also, the containers seem a little off, but hey, that's what's (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Dear Jake, Please don't take these sorts of email too seriously. I won't speak for anyone else but at least one of us AFOLs wholly supports this communication and, for that matter, the release itself. Thank you very much for all the work, time and (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I think the problem is the verbiage in the legofan.org article mentioning "our current finanancial state". The explanation in the ILTCO article is much better, IMO. Steve (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Me too! I will do anything in my power to make this new set a succes. I hope my wife will let me buy several... /\/\ark "I have two BNSFs, so I'll need a lot of cars" de Kock (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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What a pleasant way to start off Monday! I'm looking forward to this set. Aside from the set itself, what I find interesting is the technique used in the photography. Check out the clear bricks used for supporting the freight bodies... (URL) the (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.publish.photography, lugnet.trains)
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(...) It's not the upfront money, it's the projected sales that determine whether a new mold is produced. Trains, while popular among AFOLs, just don't sell well among Lego's target market. I imagine that the projected sales for 10170 is at most (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.market.theory, FTX)
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(...) Jake, I wish you hadn't turned this into a personal issue when it is a corporate policy issue. Do you see the words "Jake McKee" anywhere in my post? Now the "rally round Jake" LUGNET defense mechanism has been activated, and anything I say (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I too was admiring the clear bricks--I thought I saw a clear 1 x 8 technic brick! clear technic bricks!! Imagine the go-cart I could make then!! (URL) K -who is looking forward to purchasing a few of these container cars to add to the layout (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.publish.photography, lugnet.trains)
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<snip> (...) Marc, I think maybe you need to understand the sheer expense involved in setting up a production line specifically for parts not currently in stock. I know of one example where some basic bricks and plates were needed in a slightly (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Mark, the reason I took this personally is because I was one of the people making this decision. I know it sometimes seems like the LEGO Group is some big, cold, floating entity in the sky, but it's a group of people just like any community. (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Thanks for the announcement and ILTCO pictures Mike! We were just discussing the lack of new trains this year at our RichLug meeting on Saturday. Low and behold a new Intermodal Double-Stack Car!!! Now I've got a reason to scan S&H weekly for (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) This was something that caught me off-guard at Celebration III in Indy. Certainly 99.9% of the folks there were Star Wars fans, yet the LEGO booth was hopping, selling product like crazy. The ISD sold out - they were taking orders to be (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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Thanks Jake! This is a great looking set, especially needed for a Monday. And this, after finding out there is now a discount on bulk track purchases in one of the online catalogs! And, yes, I am willing to be counted as a sucker. Considering all (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Cute set, but I question the 'play value'. No minifig, nothing to put *into* the containers, no crane to load and unload them -- it's just something to go around the track. A bit juniorized for us die-hard Train heads, but I think the average (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Ok... the set is very cool looking. Great work LEGO®. However, I do think the set needs at least one or two train minifigs with TTX or BNSF logo stickers or even printed on the minifigs. The reasons is I am thinking is... 1) There are LEGO fans who (...) (20 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Agreed. The more rolling stock, the better. I was at a train store the other day and marvelled at the literally hundreds of cars available in different gauges. More L gauge stuff is only good. Thanks Jake and all who helped put this together. (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Can you give any more details about this bulk track purchase thing you mentioned? Rafe (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Hey look! Another train! Who would have ever guessed?!? ;) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I don't know how long this will last or if the offer has expired. Someone from the Gateway Lego Users Group noticed this offer and sent the following info out on the group list. --- In GtwLug... Blackrock <blackrock@y...> wrote: (...) (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.lego.direct)
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(...) Hey now, don't begrudge us our measily few train sets... not with all the Toa Lhikan Kikanalo Gaaki Rahaga Pouks Kualus Norik Bomonga Iruini Vakama Nokama Hordika Whenua Onewa Matau Nuju Rhotuka Panrahk Lerahk Guurahk Vorahk Turahk Vhisola (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Hey you leave Bomonga out of this! I am just waiting on a set like (URL) this> to come out ;) But ya, trains are ok as long as they are in a nice town layout! The other Mark (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps the lack of sales of trains with LEGO's target markes is because THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW LEGO TRAIN EXIST!! In the USA, train sets have been available at standard retail outlets only sporatically ever since the introduction of Lego trains (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory, FTX)
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(...) Wow! Great! Another American themed addition to trains. That should go down well with all those USofAFOLs. Let's put some flags out to celebrate. British flag, no, French, German, no good. Oh, no, that one's Australian... European... Oh (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Dealing with a mall can be tricky. Often they are owned by companies that have several malls in an area. They often only accept larger deals, in which a chain has to commit to put a store/play area in EACH of those malls. Also, having a Lego (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory, FTX)
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(...) Call me ignorant, but what the heck is this "TTX", anyway? A kind of track gauge? Wondering, Christian Treczoks (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) This one (URL) ? ;-) Tim (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Its like 1:120 scale modeling, but with stronger frames and chunky tires Oh no, thats BMX ;-) Tim (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) "TTX Company provides railcars and related freight car management services to the North American rail industry." From (URL) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And here I was all set to start pushing for more European designs, but if you really want the reefer instead... :) Jake --- Jake McKee Community Liaison LEGO Community Team (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, go to 1000steineland in Berlin this summer, and you'll get more than enough European train designs for a start. HTH, Christian (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Oh, please. Yeah, it is "American themed" all right-- with euro-style buffers and euro-style wheels. And didn't the last "American themed" loco (the BNSF) come with a brand new train element-- a modern, European buffer? I'll trade you. Let TLG (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I was actually looking for a reefer (or even a boxcar or anything) with a big Stars and Stripes on the side, I'm sure I've seen one somewhere (might even have been a loco) Anyone know where to find it? And appologies for the above (slaps self (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Please no! No more American proto....I'm sick of it. The Santa Fe and BNSF locomotives are cool, don't get me wrong. They're the most detailed and realistic Lego Trains ever made. They also represent a commitment to the train line beyond the (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) (for those that don't get the reference, TT is one of the "Classic" scales in Model Railroading, along with: - N 1:160 - HO 1:87 - S 1:64 - O 1:48 Out of those 5, it's probably the least popular or least well represented by manufacturers. In (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yes, they were formerly know as "Trailer Train" (switching to TTX in 1991). The "X" is commonly used in the rail industry to indicate the word "transportation". HTH, JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I'll give you the buffers, but I don't see that the wheelsets are particularly European, in what way do you mean? Tim (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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TLG made 30 years or so worth of Euro style trains, time for the Americans to get a little attention. This set rocks! Looks spot on for the real thing, rivet counters be damned. :) Must...buy...more...TRAINS!!!1 -Stefan- (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's one interpretation. I'm not sure I agree, though. Another one is that it means NON transportation companies, that is, lessors and shippers. X is often appended to reporting marks(1) for equipment owned by NON transportation companies to (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Brickshelf?(1) Seriously, I think OnDrew did a boxcar with a flag motif, that might be what you are thinking of. 1 - couldn't resist. (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) American trucks don't have wheel level individual springs. The individual wheels are typically unsprung, and ride in a truck frame that has springs either at the center beam (for freight) or at multiple places in a larger truck frame (for (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Practically every US stock car runs on Bettendorf trucks, which resemble this (that Ross created): (URL) The TLG trucks are designed to resemble more of the single axle type for European stock cars. JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) The question of Christian is revealing that the target audience for the TTX is clearly North American (initially desired by TLC or not). I mean european (non AFOL - the main part of TLC customers) audience don't know TTX, and have never seen a (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) American themed, European themed... at one level I don't care. Whatever LEGO produces, I (we) can do better(1). So any set is good, regardless of how it looks as a set, *IF* it has good parts. And I agree that this set looks like it will have (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And what did 19th century American wheels look like? What you're saying is, it doesn't look like anything current. Jason R (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well it would please the Daoist in me at least, if not the AdultFOL... Jason Railton (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yes, I'll agree that the US doesn't really do four wheel vehicles However I have never really thought of the Lego wheelsets as being European as they have coil springs when the style of suspension with W irons represented had/have leaf springs (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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Another well-balanced discussion evolving here I see... (...) Agreed, so far. (...) Er, perhaps that statement could be qualified a little. Maybe North American prototypes resonate with the American audiences that you tend to find attending American (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) And I don't either, I just think its great that Lego is still producing trains, especially ones based on real prototypes (although slightly more generic ones would be good too) However you mention that this set will strike a chord when seen at (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Not like that. I'm having trouble with Google, it keeps returning pictures of LEGO trains for all the search terms I used, not particularly useful, so I don't have a pic cite for you, but trust me. (...) No, that's what you're saying I'm (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Fair cop. How big are train shows elsewhere though? How big is the market elsewhere? In Singapore, no one I talked to (small sample) had even heard of a train show! I suggest that there IS a market here, one worth trying to serve. The US (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I'm kinda with Larry on this one--rtlToronto, a new additoin to the train show experience, has been doing 3-4 shows per year for the past few years. I know that Calum wants to keep things 'euro' (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Maybe you're thinking of these UP locos: (URL) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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As an Australian living in the UK I have to weigh in on this debate. (...) Nor do I. If I want realism I'll build it myself. If I want a nice Lego set, I don't care where it comes from (...) One thing I find is that American trains generally look (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) In the Netherlands we have 4-6 BIG shows (read over 20k visitors, from NW-Europe) every year, plus dozens smaller ones (between dozens and a few hundred attendees) by local clubs and such. (...) The new "high speed train" doesn't look like (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) It's not a historical oddity in Europe, where several companies are still producing incredible stuff and among scratch builders it's still populair because of the high degree of detailling compared to N vs the smaller footprint of h0 (it's h0 (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) OK, so let's be realistic: most retailers (especially the big three toy retailers in the US: TRU, Wal-Mart, and Target) are not going to sell Lego trains year-round; trains tend to be strictly a holiday purchase, and otherwise languish on the (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory, FTX)
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(...) They're not though - they don't work for European fans any more than they work for Americans. Just because they don't look like American prototypes you assume they must therefore satisfy everyone else, and they don't. You can't claim they're (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, as someone who doesn't know enough about trains to know the difference between European and North American trains, I have to say that I really like this new set. I'm delighted that LEGO is offering this new set and plan to pick up 2 or 3 (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I don't think it's missed market opportunities but the nature of the product. Most kids who want a train set want something they can set on the track right out of the box and don't want to have to mess with building the train first. So by its (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory, FTX)
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"John Riley" <Rohnjiley@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:IFxAqJ.18y9@lugnet.com... [ ... snipped ... ] (...) TLG. (...) took me (...) Otherwise, we (...) years. (...) [ ... snipped ... ] While I don't disagree with what you have written, I will (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) Living at 50 meters from the Deventer - Almelo tracks, I can give some examples of European train style: 1) no automatic couplers between freight cars 2) buffers (is that the right word for those round shock absorbers that each car end has two (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) OK. I think we're getting bogged here though. I'd love to see way more sets in the range too, but my point stands, these sets are good for *a* large market. Not the only market, granted, but one that, prior to the ATSF F unit, had ZIP for (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) should be pushing those lines which aren't carried at the big boxes, like Mindstorms and trains. My impression is that the independents are forced into carrying certain lines in any contract with Lego, and those lines aren't liked by the (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) Lines? I'd heard that restriction had been lifted, at least partially, but that maybe there was still a restriction on assortment within a line. I would love it if even the LEGO brand retail stores would be allowed to order what sells... more (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) Some of Paul Arzens work is typical for Algiers, France, the Netherlands and even Spain (and no doubt many more, he was the French company Alsthom's main designer for several decades): (URL) some of his later work (URL) are the striping, and (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Jake, I really like the set, and I'm always happy to have another train model to add to my collection, particularly modern frieght. But if I'm not mistaken a prototypical consist of these cars is either 3 or 5 at a time. So are there enough (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Well, what's distinct about the trains themselves? There's been some good comments so far but here's some more... -Two axle freight cars -Electric propulsion vs Diesel-Electric -Brighter colours -Advanced technology, eg, TGV, ICE. Overall? (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Don't forget the single well car! Interestingly, whether at 1 or 3 or 5 wells, they are each considered one car. JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Jake would know for sure, but I do believe there is a North American LEGO fullfillment option called the Small Retailer Program. I don't know anything about it but I suspect that product actually comes from LDMI (Shop At Home). Perhaps the (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) You are correct, sir. Typically these are configed in 1, 3, and 5 car consists. (Yes, I've seen one car running standalone on occasion, but not often) Honestly, this came down to a design decision on why we went with two cars. Three would have (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The Small Retailer Program does exist, and retailers can get access to a subset of the LDMI item list. People at LEGO's SRP are very willing to work with retailers, but there are still S@H exclusives, I believe, that small retailers can't (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) If those are the only restrictions, I wonder why more shops don't use this program? There are some anecdotes that suggest that the old retailer program was designed for the big box stores, and thus many small retailers swore off Lego. If (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) They don't know about it? (...) If there were a web page we could point retailers to (or a onesheet we could print out and give them???) that might help. (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.market.theory)
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(...) This one looks pretty big (URL) (I must try to check it out one year). And there are many smaller shows across Australia each year. (...) Well, that's another good question. From the feedback we received at our first small show, I'd say (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) 100K is not too shabby at all. Bigger than most shows we do in the US actually. (...) Question: My read of AU prototype stuff (from the smattering I've seen mostly thanks to the good offices of AU AFOLS sharing their knowledge) is that while (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think what Matthew was asking was, is it possible to buy multiple sets and chain them together, or aren't there enough parts to make more mid-cars and mid-bogies? Jason R (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) That's because a lot of it starts off as US: (URL) Dash 8> (URL) Roster list of the BHPBilliton IRON ORE ROAD> JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well that's precisely what I was driving at! You're no fun. (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) It seems to me that 2 sets would allow one to build one 3 well car and 1 single well car, and that 3 sets would allow you to build one 5 well car and 1 single well car (in both cases with parts left over). JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Wheels wise, sure. But unless we know how the pivots are designed, maybe not. (for example if I had kitted out my articulated design and made it a 2 unit car, you wouldn't have enough parts with 3 copies to make a 5 unit car as you'd only have (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I think what he means (and what I'd also like to know) is: Are there enough spare parts in the set to turn the two end bogies into another middle bogie, so that one set can be re-arranged to extend a consist by two pockets. Then two sets could (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Larry Pieniazek wrote: (snip idle speculation) And that reminds me, I wonder if a 5 unit version of this car will have the same minor problem mine does (and that many TGV and Talgo models do as well)? It tends to come loose at the (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Well, lessee. Each set comes with 1 pivot truck and 2 end trucks. With 2 sets, we get 2 pivots and 4 end trucks. A 3 well requires 2 pivots and 2 end trucks, and the single requires 2 end trucks. That seems to work for me. The ends require (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Mark Bellis wrote: (URL) (...) Doing a halfway decent intermodal terminal (portside or just a flatyard like the ones around Chicago) will chew up a LOT of copies of this set even after you selectively compress down from 50 tracks (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Boo Hoo! And speak with reverence when you mention the first 9 volt 8 wide train set produced by TLG! ;-D JOHN (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) OK, this is only marginally LEGO, but... why the shared bogie? As a non-train type, I've certainly seen these on the tracks, but I'm not sure I understand why it's prefered over seperate cars. Is it just cheaper to produce two cars and three (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Once more, slowly. I was talking about a 5 unit car. I agree that a 3 unit should work from 2 copies. But a 5 unit MAY or MAY NOT be buildable from 3 copies. It requires 4 center bogies, and 4 pairs of pivot connections. In 3 copies, you get 3 (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Train shows in the UK are many and have up to 20,000 visitors. I've done a 17,500 2-day show at the NEC in Brimingham as well as several 2-3000 shows and a few 500-1000 shows. I have a 14,000 show lined up for September. There are a lot of (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Apology accepted. Just don't get it happen again. (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I cringe a little at the thought of doing something for a show that size... (...) Yep, pretty much. And it would be nice to have a specifically AU set (maybe Ghan or Southern Aurora), but I'm not sure it would be a hit anyway. I was (...) (20 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Yeah it will be interesting to see how that goes. From this pic it seems the axle will only protrude about 2 plates or less into the decking, uneven tracks may well work it loose. (URL) ROSCO (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Marginally, yes. But much more important is the significant reduction in tare(1) weight, and the reduction in length. Since TOFC/COFC(2) is operated at high speeds, in long trains, less tare means more payload per horsepower used, and less (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) This is what is called pointing out that YOU were wrong, within the framework of apology. Sorry if it was a bit too subtle for you! How about this?? "You're wrong! Twice in one thread tree, no less!" (some snippage) (...) Ya, that pretty much (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed those... I think the part in question is this (URL) one>. Which unfortunately was only shipped in one set (the rather rare 3800). It would be very nice if those were available at PaB. It would be great if (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.publish.photography, lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Might not have occurred to you that I was kidding; perhaps a bit too subtle. Sorry for any confusion on your end:-) JOHN (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Nice try there, J2... Well played, in fact, but no. You lose. (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) No, I think his move was a good one. The classic "I know I made a mistake, but through word play I will make it seem like you are the one with the mistake" You just didn't get the joke. ~Kevoh what's this thread even about? some new train? (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, James Seibert wrote: <snip> (...) Actually, Jake already delivered on this request, although in a sneaky way. It was Jake who (strongly?) suggested to the set designers that set #7045, Hovercraft Hideout (URL) would greatly benefit (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Stick to that line of thought, Kevoh... it might even work for you, over with the spacers. (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Ya, every time someone trashes Jake for not looking out for us, I remember that set. Pretty slick move. So slick, I'm willing to forgive Jake for finagling his own minifig. (URL) or (URL) WHO can POSSIBLY say that isn't a minifig Jake??? (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Actually, Kevoh nailed it. You've been had. JOHN (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Ah yes, the blind leading the blind. You two make quite the pair. Charming, really. Now run along. The grownups have important stuff to talk about. :-) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) It has always been my understanding that the FIRST reason for shared trucks is to reduce Rolling Resistance. Fewer wheels means less rolling resistance. But, I could be wrong on this. . (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Hmmm, just maybe I'm clever enough to hang out in CSF......nah! :-) JOHN (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Ummm guys, if you're gonna keep going down this thread, you might wanna take it to o-t.fun or somewhere - I think it's been way off topic for trains for quite a while now... ROSCO (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) I think that certainly helps, but I'd be interested in your sources. Mine are just what I vaguely remember from articles in TRAINS magazine all these years (coming up on my 35th anniversary as a subscriber)... (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) <snip> (...) No, its not bad. I have several of those for that same purpose. Sometimes I wonder if designers are being kind and designing sets with dual purpose uses for some of the parts. Kind of like like buying SW sets and using the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) nice choice, Oh well, we can but dream! tim (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Dear John, dear Tim, (...) Thank you for these insights. It made the whole issue a lot clearer. Thanks, Christian (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) But you DO have British protos now! There's Thomas, Percy, James and all his other DUPLO freinds to play with! ;-D Legoswami (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Sez the guy who's now a CSF-lovin' spacer. ;) Build some of your steamers again, foo! Legoswami (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) The Bettendorf type trucks (is that a manufacturer or a generic type or patent?) look like a swing arm type and yes, are very different from any truck you could make with the stock Lego wheelsets, however I'm sure there are/have been many (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) One thing that seems to have been missed in this thread is that the new set is designed to go with the BNSF loco and so it is pretty appropriate and representative of this type of train. It would be nice if this kind of thinking continued, (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm interested (an supprised that you consider 4561 to be European in feel, When I first saw it I thought space themed more than anything, if I had place it geographically I spose I might pick Japan, but only if pushed. Tim (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I find this interesting, can you quantify or elaborate on what makes a train 'train-like' For example what makes a TGV more train like than for example ICE3 (URL) or Pendolino (URL) I don't think it helps that the trains differ from country to (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Thanks to everyone who has answered. I think that these Paul Arzens trains are the closest thing to the real answer to my question. They do seem quite a distinctly European (as opposed to a single country) design and I have noted similar (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Pendolino. Certainly I had heard of the Shinkansen and TGV long before I'd heard of the ICE. I can't really qualify beyond that though: succesful design just seems to work in an intrinsic way. That however may just be me! (...) to see one 'in (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I think if you're talking British locomotive prototypes, the only ones with international recognition are either models from the Awdry series or historic engines such as the Rocket or Mallard, most of which would need a new moulding for (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) **Sniff** All those years. You two make the cutest couple. I think I forgot to get a card, though. -Jason (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Actually, this is something I've noticed quite often, but haven't seen discussed. Most of the pictures I see of American train shows suggest the majority of trains running are official models. With European train shows, there are very few, if (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Now, to me, that looks the part. This one not so much: (...) entire train of streamlined head, tail, and coaches. The problem with any of them though is to pick a colour scheme that will have appeal, when they vary so much from one region or (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I was wondering if you could substitute an axle pin for that 2-stud axle, to get a little more grip, but it looks like the plates above are two 2x4 technic plates in a T-arrangement. So, there's no way the pin could click in place. As it's (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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Hello! (...) I have to say! I'm shocked. Jake, I didn't know you would.... (URL) me, I'm a link!>> Bye Jojo (URL) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.fun, FTX)
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(...) Don't forget the Scotsman..... SNIPPED (...) I think the Deltic Class 55 series would be a good choice as far as British protos go. (...) Thats a good choice too. IMO, since both these locos (Class 55 and Class 50) are there in Microsoft's (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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In lugnet.trains, Timothy Gould wrote: ... (...) Not exactly, the design is quite different from TGV and "Duplex TGV". TGV exists in various liveries - here a link that help you to clearly understand. (URL) Focus on : "Sud-Est" (older one) with his (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Agreed, would be a good official model I think. (...) Well I like it but I don't think it would work as an official model. I included it as an example of loco that is fairly widespread. (...) Agreed, but the seperate vehicles concept can apply (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Ya, give us a Mallard, (or Flying Scotsman, I'm not picky) and some UK stock to go with it! (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I suppose Japan if pushed too. I made a Shinkasen out of 2 copies and some extra parts, after all, way way back when. Jason's right though, I have, in this thread, fallen into the trap of categorising everything, accurate rendition or not, (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I'm not sure that's an accurate sampling, then. Perhaps for clubs just getting started, it is, but the vast majority of stuff running on more established club layouts at shows is scratchbuilt. Yes, you'll see some stock stuff, but take a look (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Good points. I think what you need is either a design that looks particularly desirable (like the SFSC), or something that includes desirable colours (like the BNSF did). How about picking a livery that's mostly dark blue? Jason Railton (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Mallard in (dark?) blue with big red wheels, skirts and dark orange (teak) white-roofed carriages... Jason Railton (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Long time readers may recall my repeated ranting against using stacked technic plates for the receivers of the pin on bogie plates. Same issue here, in my view. Apparently the design may possibly have room for improvement. Having the trucks (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) He was a lot(1) younger then! And perhaps wiser???(2) 1 - OK, not a LOT younger, I think I've been getting TRAINS longer than he's been alive! 2 - Different chemical dependency. I keep telling my wife that a drug addiction would be more (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.fun, lugnet.off-topic.fun, FTX)
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(...) technic (...) What is a better approach? Can you provide a link? -- Bryan "Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@...e.DOT.com> wrote in message news:IFyz9B.1sDD@lugnet.com... (...) seems the (...) (URL) >> (URL) (...) axle, to (...) click in (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Only use one plate, and leave the second (upper) layer hollow so the pin can move up and down vertically and also move a bit out of the vertical axis. This helps with track conformance when the track is uneven. Note that if you use LEGO's (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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Ah. The single plate approach is what I use as well for my custom cars. On first read, I thought you are advocating not using Technic plates at all. And I was trying to figure out what else could possibly be used (besides wagon plates.) My mistake. (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) whew! (...) Na, I like them. (...) One other thing I have toyed with is using a 1x2 technic brick, sideways. There is just enough of a cut in shoulder there that the pin doesn't bind the way it does in two plates. However it doesn't allow that (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) <Shameless Self-Plug> I'm doing the same thing with my newest under-construction diesel: (URL) This image is a bit outdated although it gives you an idea why I did so. I may/may not put pics of the updated version. It's all classified at the (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I can tell you that that probably is the best approach, especially when dealing with this sort of train car. My 5 well Huskey Stack: (URL) is a bear to set up, because I have to find the couplings blindly (2x2 turntables). Since it's been (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Jake, I would like BOTH the Reefer AND European designs. David (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Right, the wieght and rolling savings aside, it's also cheaper to pay for 1 cor to roll on someone elses line then it is for 3 or 5. Mat (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I believe that different car classes have different freight rates (just like they have different dunnage charges when they're empty)... a 5 well will be a different class than a 1 well. (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) Ya Jake, hook us up with some reefer(s) man. No WONDER JoJo is insinuating what he's insinuating... XFUT off-topic.fun (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) I used this part to atach a 9v train motor to a train baseplate, with the motor centered on the wire hole. I wanted the motor closer to the center for a My Train steam engine. Mat (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Flying Scotsman in whichever green is closest to Apple Green (light green? - be great to get a range of parts in that colour). Complemented by chocolate and cream coaches - easy now we have chocolate brown! Though for goodness sake let them (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) I can satisfy the first part :-) (URL) The real ones run every day along the line south from Derby, probably 2 an hour, along with probably another 2 goods trains with other locos and several DMUs and HSTs. Mark (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) I have used both 2x2 and 4x4 turntables to attach bogies. The 2x2 allows for a good amount of movement from the vertical, but is a pig to re-attach the bogies if they come off. The 4x4 allows very little such movement, but as the MOC in (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Jake, you answered my unmentioned question. I assumed selling 2 at a time was for the reason above, and selling 1 at a time would raise the per car price. So 2 at a time is great. Doing the math (2 end trucks, 1 center truck and connections) I (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.dear-lego, FTX)
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(...) Random thought: Has anyone tried using Bionicle-style ball-and-socket joints as bogie attachments? My guess is that they would have enough friction to keep the stock from tilting over yet have the articulation to handle track unevenness as (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Forgive the mundaneness of this question, but why the odd number of wells? How come 2 and 4 well cars aren't seen as often (or at all)? I see a lot of these cars come and go in the yards near me, I'll have to start counting the number of (...) (20 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.trains, FTX)
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(...) [snip] (...) But it is prototypical, isn't it :?) Chris (20 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Oh, very much so! Even steam locomotive drivers (in most US prototypes I'm aware of) are held in place by gravity, much less individual freight car trucks. But they have a bit more weight to work with. Most model railroad models don't use this (...) (20 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Aren't there also gains in reduced wheel friction? Even if the center trucks weighed the same as 2 normal trucks, the wheel friction would be reduced in the single truck example. Of course axle loading weight goes up with the single center (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Of course for a 5 long unit car, having the trucks integral would make for a pretty unwieldy model... Frank (20 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) Don't forget the weight per axle... in Europe it's almost nowhere allowed to go over 22.5 metric tons (21 being most common in the Netherlands), while I've heard it's sometimes over 30 in the USA. Shared bogies here under container cars are (...) (20 years ago, 6-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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(...) As far as I have always understood it, the rolling resistance is practically the same regardless of the # of wheels...with the exception that very lightweight trains (such as empty container cars) have a higher drag than per lb than (...) (20 years ago, 8-May-05, to lugnet.trains)
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