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I experienced two LEGO "firsts" a couple of weeks ago - I visited the local Zany Brainy store for the first time to check out their LEGO selection and while there I discovered the first sets that I had seen stamped with the words I cringe at, "MADE (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego) !!
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Greg Perry wrote: [snip] (...) [snip] I noticed that many of the Belville and Scala cloth items were made in China. (Send me email if you need me to check a 5890 to see if those earliest Belville sleeping bags fall into this category.) /Eric McC/ (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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The cord that connects the Trains speed regulator to the wall outlet is made in China for the LEGO Group. (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.trains, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) This news is pretty shocking (maybe I've been sleeping and never noticed). <snipped Greg's observations> (...) Depends how you define quality. (...) Difficult to say. I've always had this idea of LEGO of being some sort of magical company that (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I don't see how is that even possible today, unless you live without electricity. (...) Huh? This is not 1970. (...) Please explain. (...) In fact the new one sometimes have very poor connections. That's why the guns on the X-Wing are so (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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"Greg Perry" <supernerd23@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:GJ7GLD.GLJ@lugnet.com... (...) <big snip> (...) What a pile of jingoistic crap. You should be ashamed. regards lawrence (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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I can understand how Ka-On feels here, well both sides of the story actually. Not EVERYTHING that is made in China is crap. After all there are many items not necessarily made in China but just assembled there due to lower costs. I have brought many (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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"Lawrence Wilkes" <lawrence@thewilkesf...rve.co.uk> wrote in message news:GJ8CJ8.9Mq@lugnet.com... (...) news:GJ7GLD.GLJ@lugnet.com... (...) Or LEGO should be ashamed, one or the other. Nothing to be ashamed about for having, and voicing that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Oh yeah, that reminds me of the other great thing about the Internet - it's absolutely so predictable: For instance, any posting of an opinion on a public forum is always going to get at least one response from some detractor whose debating (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) As mentioned in my original post I'm not some foaming-at-the-mouth "activist" whose every waking moment is spent in avoiding Chinese produced items. Rather as a habit I generally check most products I'm considering buying to see where they (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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Chris - many thanks to you for your comments and thoughts related to my post. Unlike other responses (such as lawrence's "crap" one) yours has led me to do some further thinking about whether an anti-MADE IN CHINA position is a tenable one with (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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"Greg Perry" <supernerd23@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:GJ8nuK.31E@lugnet.com... (...) I liked your description of yourself "that's the great thing about the Internet - any crackpot can moan, grumble and whine about any old thing they want." (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) More or less yes. Your fine product may be assembled in some other country, but it's componets can come from anywhere - from tiny resistors to motors. There is no 'pure' first world electronic products. Also where is your humanitarian concern (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I hear what you are saying - you make some very good points. But lets put China aside for a moment. Do you think we should trade with the very worst of governments in the hope that the revenues empower workers in some small way? Or do you think (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm in the same boat as you, Greg. I try to avoid products made in China, not because of any quality questions, but because of the political and human rights record of the country. Anyone remember Tiananmen Square? Sending tanks against (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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In lugnet.general, Christopher Tracey writes: <snippitty-doo-da> (...) I had heard this news many months ago and in a panic rushed to buy-up a lifetime supply of my favorite low-tops (a necessary part of my social uniform). However, according to my (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GJ8yo0.77@lugnet.com... (...) Personally, I do think there is place for individuals not to buy the product of a given company - or specifically favour those from a certain origin. A few years (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.general, Lawrence Wilkes writes: (snipped) (...) Admittedly, your succint comments provoked certain thoughts about you, your attitude and communication skills. However, despite what you might "think" it didn't in any way make me reconsider (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ironically, your favorite toy is sold by all three of those chains, alongside its inferior Canadian competitor... You probably get your storage containers there too (I do). (...) Rampant consumerism...you mean like the average AFOL buying any (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh no. Let me check my calendar. Please tell me it's April first... it's not. ARRRRGH! I'm tempted to write some words here that would violate my Lugnet Terms of Use agreement... (...) Oh boy, I *am* politically active. I've been boycotting (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Greg: That is the type of comment that frequently--and not always incorrectly--elicits charges of bigotry or at least misguided nationalism. Obviously, I have no idea of the true nature of your real-world feelings, but the tenor of your (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Greg Perry writes: (snipped a great deal of very good points about constructive criticism and reasoned debate) (...) It was all going so well Greg and I respected what you were saying until this point. I think that in (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What a loaded topic I got into. Like you mentioned trade sanctions worked in South Africa, but it haven't worked for Iraq and Cuba. It is doubtful that trade sanctions would bring major positive changes in China. The communist still have tight (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please keep in mind what I keep stating - I do not consider myself an "activist" nor am I anyone with any strong political convictions (or understanding - I'm an American after all). So, I do not operate on some Jainistic principle whereby I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is questionable. Citing trade sanctions as effective allowed the apartheid regime to save face--it was OK for the conservatives to admit defeat at the hands of the rest of the industrialized First World, but to admit that violence and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Darn it! I just don't know when to stop sometimes. Oh well, I'm sorry for putting you off with my closing statements. They are intended to be completely sarcastic and based on the stereotypical response that you'll get from the average (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with the whole point of your note, Dave. But I'm wondering if you really disagree with the Greg's implied stance about the role of the US staving off Germany during WWII. I don't really get off on the US' role in the war, but my (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave - please see my response to Psi ((URL) for my apologies for this statement. I would however ask you to keep in mind that it was made in response to lawrence's sarcastic "thanks" to the U.S. I realize now (as is often the case with what I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to confess that my WWII knowledge is somewhat less than exhaustive. However, while I don't deny the importance of the US role, it's tricky to say (although Greg has now clarified that he was being sarcastic) that the US "saved" Europe, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fair enough--I posted my message before you had explained your intention. (...) Perhaps something along the lines of "In my experience, products manufactured in China sometimes display less tightly-controlled standards of quality, such that (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: [snip] (...) Hi Dave, The above comment really caught me by surprise - I've never before heard of any theory or perspective that could justifiably separate the Catholic/Protestant friction in Northern (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah--call that some ham-fisted wording on my part. I was trying to isolate it to a theological dispute, but of course that very dispute stems from the occupation. So stipulated! (...) The basis of that claim is a failure to articulate what I (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As far as quality goes, the same things have been said in the past about manufacturing in Japan, Taiwan and Korea (and probably Singapore, Maylasia, Thailand and the Philippines). The truth is, if cheap crap is going to be made, it will be made (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Well, now I've started I may as well get fully involved in .debate! Shaun You may like to consider separating British Military presence (which began in the early 1970's at the request of the Catholic community to protect them from Protestant (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sorry for following myself up but I must say I stand corrected about Dave's meaning. I wasn't too sure I should have put words in his mouth and now it seems the words were wrong in the first place. Sorry All, I never really wanted to open the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That was cool, though--kind of like watching me have a debate with myself. Dave! (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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John - thank you for your response to my posting. I'm sorry, of course, that I had to break this news to you. At the same time it's nice to get a response from someone else who thinks that this a valid concern (and not simply racist, bigoted (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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I wouldn’t say that you are being Jingoistic per se, but I do think that your view is a little uninformed. I normally steer clear of political discussions here on Lugnet, but this one does seem to be a real discussion and not an argument. What is (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Russia and Germany were engaged in the greatest land battle in the history of the planet. The scope and devastation of it was truly appalling - it's what ground Germany up. Of course, neither of those two sides was out to "save" Europe, and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The British brought in Scots Pres(oh geez, I can't remember how to spell this)byterians at a much later date. The Catholic/Protestant thing is not really independent of British occupation (topmost quote above). One could typify it as centuries (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Jon Furman" <Rambocalrissian@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:GJ9BB1.BJE@lugnet.com... (...) Well said. Thanks for taking the time to write what I thought, when I felt it more expedient to write 'crap' Case in point - my brother in law imports (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Yeah, I'm not a big Stalin fan in any case, but it seems likely that goodly chunk of my ancestry was wiped out by his antics in the Ukraine. I hoped the ;^) would be a tip off, but, balancing that against my admission of ignorance, I can see (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I avoid the US for this reason. Capital punishment, bought elections, refusing to reduce CO2 emissions, STAR WARS, and preventing UN intervention in Israel are not things I want to support. Rengenier (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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Doesn't this strike you as a little ironic posting from hotmail.com? *grin* -john (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general)
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(...) Cool....if you don't like it stay out.We like all other nations have our problems but I still wouldn't want to live any place else! (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the (...) I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how many millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the highest casualties in the entire war. What Bruce mentions below is also true. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Keep this in mind....if Hitler had let his generals run the war they would have won it.They did not want to fight the U.S. OR the U.S.S.R. Also without Hitlers interference the jet plane would have been put into production alot sooner and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True but the U.S. could have but IKE agreeded to let the U.S.S.R take Berlin(IKE knew it would have cost alot of lives to take so it was no problem for him if the russians WANTED to take it.IE "glory") (...) Hee True! (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The only question is how many of these 25 million did Stalin off himself (there should be a smiley here, but it is kind of hard to use one when talking about this kinda of mega-death). (...) That was a political deal. (...) The Soviets had (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) many (...) No comment, I really can't pick a side. He probably was a killer, but he sure did a lot for his country... Much like Hitler... Ooo... That doesn't sound good. ;-) Honestly, I'd love to find a leader who doesn't do horrible things (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thereabouts. The true tally can never be known, at least not in *this* life--even your source admits that his three sources (probably Volkogonov, Conquest, and Messenger) vary widely. The reputable sources hover between 20 and 27 million. In (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) exhaustive. (...) many (...) Yeah, it's quite shocking. (...) Yeah, the Russians don't give up very easily. Thank God (and I'm not religious ;-D) they didn't, things could have went differently... (...) Hehe... yeah. ;-) (...) Two million (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah, that's about the figure accepted for war-related mass democide. Stalin's tally is *on top of that*. (...) Now, this is interesting. What's the political deal you heard? I know that the Germans were evacuating soldiers and civilians en (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) General Winter, the finest leader of the Russian Army! Well, him and that Zhukov chap. ;) (...) If Hitler's generals had run the war, Hitler couldn't have been Hitler. What happened was as much doctrine as it was individuals--it's like any (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can. The Neutral countries'. We (Portugal and others) managed to keep the population alive and even earning money out of others misery. Our position was very... odd. We lend the Azores to the UK, later the USA - while we were selling (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LFB Germany was working on the 262 eaaly in the war ..then Hitler told them i want a bomber which delayed work on the fighter(and the fixing of problems)this fact has been stated many times in documentaries that i seen on THC/A&E. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And that's why I asked for the opinion and thoughts of others. Thanks for responding. (...) I also do not tend to get involved in political discussions because I am very much aware of my lack of knowledge on such subjects as well as being (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I trust the Hitler Channel about as far as I can throw it. ;) This is the same organization that claimed the Goeben and Breslau were battleships, when in fact neither was. They rarely dig far beneath the surface because they have to generalize (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I really enjoyed the scope of this guy's work: lots of comparison and synthesis, mostly from a global perspective. His fun stuff is neat too -- I particularly liked the alternative history of Moslem Australia. (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Muuhahahahaha, etc etc :) (...) This is extremely interesting! My segment of British/Irish history really doesn't go back past the Boyne, so this is a very cloudy period in my knowledge. Were these Scots who invaded in the 14th-C. descended (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nah. I think it's just Moon Madness (not a value statement about the moon, calm down everyone! ;) )--or maybe September Stress-- that's getting everyone in a tizzy. I know it's gotten the best of me a few times in the last week (maybe here (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) any better an idea than I do who he is? Not having real contact info forces me to double check a lot of his sources as litmus tests, but he's really done a very good job of documentation. best LFB (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Greg, Your point is well taken, I appreciate your point of view. I'm sorry some folks refered to your views as Racist. (It clearly wasn't) Your original post was well thought out and executed. I think the only difference in our thinking is that I (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I couldn't find any more informative references to or by him either -- his comments on Ayn Rand's propagandists were sufficient guarantee of reliability for me as a layperson: (URL) (#18) --DaveL (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Countries with few jobs don't make good customers for our goods. Dennis In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Greg Perry writes: [snip] (...) [snip] (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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When I mentioned South Africa, I was talking more about how individuals could keep the struggle in the public consciousness by avoid the products of companies who did invest in South Africa. As far as trade sanction are concerned, I think at the (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.general, Lawrence Wilkes writes: (Snipped Jon's Reply to the original Posting) (...) So let me see if I've got this all straight now - in my original post I stated that I had "discovered" that LEGO was now making toys in China. I explained (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) LFB - thanks for the further validation that my original posting was not guilty of the charges that others were so quick to hurl at it. As it so typical with the people who screech "Racism!" and "Bigot!" (and living here in Richmond, Virginia (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There isn't really a side to pick - ruthless totalitarians willing to slay millions. (...) Poor analogy. Better to say, Hitler invades, Milosevic invades, Saddam invades and the U.S. reacts. Despite all justifications, deplorable things (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I understood that, but was trying to make the point in a simpler fashion. Alas, I seem to have failed. (...) It was agreed that the British and Americans would not advance on Berlin to make sure the Russians had the "honor" of taking (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you get kicks out of pointing that out? (sarcasm on) Bruce, tell me something I don't know! (...) Serbia... (...) Suuure. ;-) (sarcasm on yet again) Gee wiz, I feel so safe when the U.S. is around. I love it when they solve a problem (i.e. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My daughter was "made in China" we adopted her from there and she is perfect..please do not be racist..OK Thanks (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) He's a twit. Quoting: The Berlin Wall (1961-89) Berlin: the grim and lonely front line in the Cold War. What exactly happens on the front lines of a non-event? Border guards glare at one another; they patrol the barbed wire perimeter, and (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) "symbolic"? (...) Here [1] it says that 171 people were killed trying to escape. Just checking/correcting facts... I don't really know the exact number or if this source is correct. [1] (URL) (...) Mladen Pejic, over and out! (URL) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) No, you did not. But I must say it doesn't take *a wall* to prevent people from fleeing (see "Iron curtain"), and people got shot and killed while crossing borders in different contexts: before 1974 you could get killed by the portuguese (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Welcome to The United States of the Offended. For an interesting read try the "Bill of No Rights". One idea I always liked from it was that you do not have the right to be not offended. (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, great. So how was this a non event? Wasn't aware that millions of enslaved people was a "non event". (enslaved by the USSR's territorial aggrandisement, by the way, I haven't forgotten I have some stuff to come back to...) He's a twit. (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) Yeh, but note it's a personal call, and he also points out (elsewhere) that "overrated" doesn't mean "unimportant." (...) Dunno, never met the guy. LFB (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) To quote Nero Wolfe "Phooey!" Once again, I challenge you and all the other people who are so absolutely and stunningly eager to hurl charges of racism (can ANYONE explain this phenomena?) to produce the evidence of that "crime" in my posting. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The initial plan had been to drop one on a relatively untouched German city, which was questionable to some--a question that conveniently vanished in May of 1945. There was also some concern over "why couldn't the bomb have been demonstrated (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) c/phenomena/phenomenon (sorry, the editor gene asserted itself) What's weirdest to me is that the cry "racism" is used so very *incorrectly* a large part of the time. For example, the charge of essentialization (which one might feasibly level (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey David, (...) Yeah. That's why once I've made a charge, if it's contested, I'll continue on (or apologize if I may have been wrong). Throwing things around flippantly like that will eventually destroy their meaning. I blame television. :) (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ooops! Bad nettiquette, but I mixed my idioms and my verbiage! In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun screws up: (...) Ack, I just reread this and it sounds really bad. I should have said "sustain my argument" and not "continue on" (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is a dodge. The way that little ditty is written, he is clearly trying to minimise or whitewash what was going on. Comparing it to the US/Canada border??? Come ON! (...) Sometimes you don't need to meet someone in person to tell what (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Once again Lindsay I thank you for your input to this discussion. I'm also probably one of the few people in this forum who appreciates being set straight on the misuse of particular words, so THANKS. I wonder if you'd be willing to circle (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually quite a number of us like to be corrected. It's the only way to get better. That said, this is the first of multiple attacks against your readership in general that I think signals some kind of communications failure. I think you are (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) Serbia... (...) [more snip] I need a little reminding as to who, what, or where was specifically invaded by Milosevic (or indeed, by Yugoslavia at all) that required a US reaction of bombing, invasion, and dismemberment. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Constantine Hannaher writes: (snipped) (...) Try "Slavonia", in Eastern Croatia. I think it was invaded by the army of the Yugoslav Federation in 1991. And the US did not *want* to invade Yugoslavia because the cost in (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right Chris in pointing out to me that I've started lashing out with unwarranted "attacks" and generalizations when I should stick to responding to individuals and specifics. In retrospect I should have just said "I don't mind being (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks Dennis - that's actually a very good point (in my opinion). Not to continue on with the "debate" but I think that some would respond to your assertion by asking why it has to be existing jobs that are moved instead of simply creating (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The destruction of Vukovar, yes. See, I really did need reminding. There was the shelling of Dubrovnik, too. But it is casting a bit far back to explain the reaction of 1999. Croatia's unilateral secession had yet to be recognized at the time of (...) (23 years ago, 9-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To be accurate, and correcting myself, that was not really an "invasion", it was more like a "refuse to leave": those military units were manned essentially by serbs but were based on Croatia. Hard to define as a situation... but easy to read (...) (23 years ago, 9-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OT, but to correct misinformation... Chuck Taylor All-Star shoes are still being made and distributed. They may have been out of production for a while, but they are currently in production. And a company representative has publicly gone on (...) (23 years ago, 10-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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Usually, I wouldn't touch this kind of topic with a 20 foot stick, but I feel as if some more people have to stand up for Greg here. He didn't make a single racist comment, nor did he say anything that even vaguely appeared racist. As Greg said (...) (23 years ago, 10-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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"Greg Perry" <supernerd23@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:GJAItv.53p@lugnet.com... (...) You seem to assume that 1. I have nothing to do but follow this thread. You complain that I replied. As if all I have to do is reply to you. I only noticed (...) (23 years ago, 10-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Lawrence Wilkes" <lawrence@thewilkesf...rve.co.uk> wrote in message news:GJG1yq.2Gx@lugnet.com... (...) Sorry, that should have read "You compain that I didn't reply" regards lawrence (23 years ago, 10-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. No racism in Greg's comments that I saw. Not much Jingoism either. (23 years ago, 10-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Greg has done a good job of elaborating upon his original point, as well as clarifying his (self-admitted) imprecise wording. However, some here felt a distinctly racial tone to this snippet: (...) from (URL) I agree that there is no (...) (23 years ago, 10-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry Jim, I didn't see you followed this up to .fun. There was a recent article in the NYTimes about converse and i think an NPR report in the past three weeks. Most of my info came from those sources. That's interesting new that they are still (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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Excuse my french, but zis crap outrages me! I can't believe lego would stoop so low as to doing this, so little duplo "things" suck! They are horrible, and if lego does make all of the things in China, I know I'm not going to support lego anymore. (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) I think some people are a little out of touch with reality, and I've seen enough of this argument to post my 2 cents worth. Its admirable that you and others are willing to give up your abs habit to try and stop Lego from doing business.... (...) (23 years ago, 11-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)
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(...) Yes, thanks for that clarification. I stand by my assertion though that Greg got a bit of a raw deal on this, though, especially in some of the initial comments made. Calling it jingoistic was a bit over the top, I thought. (23 years ago, 14-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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