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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Fri, 7 Sep 2001 01:47:31 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Chris Leach writes:
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
  BTW, The idea that Hitler's interference somehow screwed up the
  jet project is really untrue.  The Me-262 (and the He-280
  before it) had serious airframe issues that took until 1944
  to sort out.  What's more, the Jumo 004 engines weren't ready
  until then anyways.  Hitler was an annoyance, but it was the
  technical issues that really delayed the arrival of operational
  jet fighters.  Even with them operational, the average service
  life of an engine was only 10 hours' flying--after that they
  tended to overheat and catch fire or eat themselves. (A really
  nasty tendency...catch a bit of fan blade in the head there,
  mister pilot?)  All warring nations had these troubles, and all
  had jet aircraft on the drawing board as early as 1942.

LFB Germany was working on the 262 eaaly in the war ..then Hitler told them
i want a bomber which delayed work on the fighter(and the fixing of
problems)this fact has been stated many times in documentaries that i seen
on THC/A&E.

   I trust the Hitler Channel about as far as I can throw it.  ;)
   This is the same organization that claimed the Goeben and Breslau
   were battleships, when in fact neither was.  They rarely dig
   far beneath the surface because they have to generalize for a
   half-hour or hour-long television program, and sometimes that
   means they propagate the occasional "oops."

   But to answer the objection:  It was the engines, plain and
   simple.  The Me-262 had originally been planned with BMW 003
   engines, but they truly ate themselves when tested at the
   end of 1941--and this was while the airframe was still only
   marginally flyable.  The Jumo 004B prototypes weren't ready
   until nearly the end of 1943, and even when they provided
   sufficient thrust later, there weren't enough of them because
   they still weren't that reliable.  They weren't "frozen" for
   mass production--that is, the final prototype designated as
   the pattern--until June 1944, and the powerplant development
   had *nothing* to do with any Hitlerine delays of the 262--because
   the Ar-234, which was *designed* as a bomber, was to use the same
   powerplant and was held up too (Note that the first operational
   Me-262s only beat the first Ar-234s by a few weeks--they were
   started in design and prototype at the same time).  Changes to the
   landing gear (tailwheel to tricycle) and airframe (new nacelles,
   wing roots, tail surfaces) were yet to come.  Hitler weighed in on
   the Me-262's bomber potential only *after* December 1943--and even
   then he conceived of it as a fighter-bomber, not as a
   dedicated bomber.  But the modifications necessary to put
   a 500-pound bomb were made *while* the aircraft's other
   troubles were solved, and even so the production aircraft
   couldn't be fitted with *engines* until after June 1944.

   The dates of the famous memos and decrees are 5 December 1943
   for the initial interest in the fighter-bomber, and 8 June 1944
   for the executive order placing priority on bomber production
   (which the Me-262 was already by then fitted for). So Hitler delayed
   the Me-262 maybe a month, if even.  It definitely wasn't
   two years of delays--that's one of those romantic counterfactual
   myths, sort of like "what if the Germans had gone to sea in 1918"
   and "What if the South had won the Civil War."  Fun, but flawed
   because they usually miss the less exciting, yet really culpable,
   cause of the failure.

   best

   LFB (who's just *no fun* himself ;D )



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  Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
 
(...) LFB Germany was working on the 262 eaaly in the war ..then Hitler told them i want a bomber which delayed work on the fighter(and the fixing of problems)this fact has been stated many times in documentaries that i seen on THC/A&E. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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