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Re: Military Lego Sets
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Fri, 7 Sep 2001 02:06:23 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Alan Findlay writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes:
> > This isn't a straw man--reading the context and understanding
> > the implications of the charges made, he's faulting Pedro
> > for not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful
> > and prosperous existence during even the late stages of the
> > Reconquista by citing its imposition by arms in 711 AD
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> The straw man analogy still holds.
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> Had you first asked Victor a question such as: Are you faulting Pedro for
> not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful and prosperous existence
> during even the late stages of the Reconquista because of its imposition by
> arms in AD 711?
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> ... and had Victor replied: Yes.
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> ... then you would have been justified in your response.
I can see your point. In retrospect, I probably should
have confirmed the intent. But hindsight is 20/20.
"Historical revisionism" isn't a hot button for me, but when
people bandy the charge around blithely I do find it obnoxious.
Bearing in mind that I bring a specialist's eye to such things,
we're bound to see it differently. If I read it as a simple
case of obfuscation of the intent and unfortunate wording, I can
see a potential second set of intents. I apologize to Victor,
again, if in trying to divine what he meant I came to the wrong
conclusion and went into Rant Mode. It looked pretty clearly
deducible to me.
> This issue of "presumption" is a bit of a 'hot botton' for me. One of the
> things that my wife and I often have to work through is that I find myself
> being expected to defend answers I didn't give to questions she didn't ask
> me. (It's kind of like be asked: "When did you stop beating your wife?" The
> question already presumes a lot of ugly stuff as being 'proven'.)
Ah. Presumption gets my dander up as well, but to be honest, I felt
and feel that I was on as strong a ground as you feel you're on
saying that I'm *not* on strong ground and constructing too much.
The difference is that you think I'm presuming, and I think I'm
surmising from the evidence available, and so forth. Po-tay-to,
po-tah-to (or, if you're Dan Quayle, po-ta-toe).
We're in agreement, though, that only if and when Victor clarifies
will we ever have any answers...or maybe merely more cryptic
questions? I'm ready to move on, because there's a good WWII/
Hitler .debate going on in the next thread --->
Darn! I mentioned Hitler. I lose.
best
LFB
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