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Re: Military Lego Sets
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 5 Sep 2001 05:11:40 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Alan Findlay writes:
> Since you are knocking down a straw man of your own creation, it's no wonder
> that you come out best in this exchange. Victor made NO value judgment on
> the vices or virtues of any of the combatants on the Iberian peninsula. He
> simply reminded us that the Arabs were there as colonizers, having arrived
> through armed force. That the colonized would not appreciate the incursion
> and would fight back should not surprize us -- the pattern has been followed
> the world over (ie Moguls in India, Ottomans in Hungary, Europeans just
> about everywhere).
This isn't a straw man--reading the context and understanding
the implications of the charges made, he's faulting Pedro
for not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful
and prosperous existence during even the late stages of the
Reconquista by citing its imposition by arms in 711 AD (350-750
years earlier). He's also saying this as though the Muslim
invasion is somehow doing some violence that the Visigoths
didn't do in the 590s--that the Visigoths were legitimate but
the Arabs not. That's the firm implication by calling it
"historical revisionism," and his further (extremely brief)
comments only seem to bear that reading out. I agree with
you 100% that there's no functional difference--read my other
comments.
I happily apologize if Victor really *meant* to say what you're
saying, Alan, but it just didn't come across that way at all.
If it had, I would be saying "hear hear!" instead of "look here!".
best
LFB
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| (...) The straw man analogy still holds. Had you first asked Victor a question such as: Are you faulting Pedro for not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful and prosperous existence during even the late stages of the Reconquista because of (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) <snippage> (...) Lindsay, Since you are knocking down a straw man of your own creation, it's no wonder that you come out best in this exchange. Victor made NO value judgment on the vices or virtues of any of the combatants on the Iberian (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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