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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 22:03:02 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mladen Pejic writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > >
> > > > I'm wondering if you really disagree with the Greg's implied stance about • the
> > > > role of the US staving off Germany during WWII.
> > > >
> > > > I don't really get off on the US' role in the war, but my analysis does seem
> > > > to suggest that the Germans would have more substantially dominated Europe
> > > > (and by extension, the world) without the US to counter. I once read an
> > > > analysis that if Hitler had kept us out of things long enough to capture
> > > > Gibraltar, he would have basically won (or some facsimile thereof).
> > >
> > > I have to confess that my WWII knowledge is somewhat less than exhaustive.
> > > However, while I don't deny the importance of the US role, it's tricky to
> > > say (although Greg has now clarified that he was being sarcastic) that the
> > > US "saved" Europe, which implies to me that the US was somehow
> > > singlehandedly responsible for fending off the German army.
> > > What I really want to know is where the heck was Russia during all this
> > > Nazi stuff? ;^)
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> I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how many
> millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the
> highest casualties in the entire war.
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> What Bruce mentions below is also true.
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> Other things:
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> The Battle of Stalingrad (and also one of the worst battles in the war) was a
> *HUGE* turning point in the war.
> The Soviet army reached Hitler's bunker first.
True but the U.S. could have but IKE agreeded to let the U.S.S.R take
Berlin(IKE knew it would have cost alot of lives to take so it was no
problem for him if the russians WANTED to take it.IE "glory")
> The Battle of Kursk was one of the greatest tank battles in history (Soviets
> won).
> The Soviet army destroyed (i.e. completely) practically all the German armies
> that had invaded the U.S.S.R.
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> Sorry, this post does sound very one sided, but not enough is said about the
> U.S.S.R. and it's role in WWII. However, most Americans love
> violent pro-American WWII movies which glorify the war, and the U.S.S.R. and
> its allies were the "Evil Commies" (yes, that was sarcasm), so this should not
> be very suprising. ;-)
Hee True!
> If I made any errors in this post, please feel free to correct me.
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> Mladen, no-I'm-not-Russian, Pejic
> http://www3.sympatico.ca/mladenpejic/
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> [1] http://www.stokesey.demon.co.uk/wwii/casualty.html
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> > >
> > > Dave!
> >
> > Russia and Germany were engaged in the greatest land battle in the history
> > of the planet. The scope and devastation of it was truly appalling - it's
> > what ground Germany up. Of course, neither of those two sides was out to
> > "save" Europe, and Stalin would have have been the greatest monster of all
> > time if not for Hitler.
> >
> > Whether or not the U.S. "saved" Europe is kinda immaterial since Germany
> > declared war on the U.S., instead of us riding in on our gallant white
> > steed. The question if Germany could have been defeated without the U.S. is
> > an interesting counterfactual.
> >
> > Bruce
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| (...) the (...) I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how many millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the highest casualties in the entire war. What Bruce mentions below is also true. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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