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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 21:40:42 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > > I'm wondering if you really disagree with the Greg's implied stance about • the
> > > role of the US staving off Germany during WWII.
> > >
> > > I don't really get off on the US' role in the war, but my analysis does seem
> > > to suggest that the Germans would have more substantially dominated Europe
> > > (and by extension, the world) without the US to counter. I once read an
> > > analysis that if Hitler had kept us out of things long enough to capture
> > > Gibraltar, he would have basically won (or some facsimile thereof).
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> > I have to confess that my WWII knowledge is somewhat less than exhaustive.
> > However, while I don't deny the importance of the US role, it's tricky to
> > say (although Greg has now clarified that he was being sarcastic) that the
> > US "saved" Europe, which implies to me that the US was somehow
> > singlehandedly responsible for fending off the German army.
> > What I really want to know is where the heck was Russia during all this
> > Nazi stuff? ;^)
I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how many
millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the
highest casualties in the entire war.
What Bruce mentions below is also true.
Other things:
The Battle of Stalingrad (and also one of the worst battles in the war) was a
*HUGE* turning point in the war.
The Soviet army reached Hitler's bunker first.
The Battle of Kursk was one of the greatest tank battles in history (Soviets
won).
The Soviet army destroyed (i.e. completely) practically all the German armies
that had invaded the U.S.S.R.
Sorry, this post does sound very one sided, but not enough is said about the
U.S.S.R. and it's role in WWII. However, most Americans love
violent pro-American WWII movies which glorify the war, and the U.S.S.R. and
its allies were the "Evil Commies" (yes, that was sarcasm), so this should not
be very suprising. ;-)
If I made any errors in this post, please feel free to correct me.
Mladen, no-I'm-not-Russian, Pejic
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mladenpejic/
[1] http://www.stokesey.demon.co.uk/wwii/casualty.html
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> > Dave!
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> Russia and Germany were engaged in the greatest land battle in the history
> of the planet. The scope and devastation of it was truly appalling - it's
> what ground Germany up. Of course, neither of those two sides was out to
> "save" Europe, and Stalin would have have been the greatest monster of all
> time if not for Hitler.
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> Whether or not the U.S. "saved" Europe is kinda immaterial since Germany
> declared war on the U.S., instead of us riding in on our gallant white
> steed. The question if Germany could have been defeated without the U.S. is
> an interesting counterfactual.
>
> Bruce
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| (...) True but the U.S. could have but IKE agreeded to let the U.S.S.R take Berlin(IKE knew it would have cost alot of lives to take so it was no problem for him if the russians WANTED to take it.IE "glory") (...) Hee True! (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) The only question is how many of these 25 million did Stalin off himself (there should be a smiley here, but it is kind of hard to use one when talking about this kinda of mega-death). (...) That was a political deal. (...) The Soviets had (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Thereabouts. The true tally can never be known, at least not in *this* life--even your source admits that his three sources (probably Volkogonov, Conquest, and Messenger) vary widely. The reputable sources hover between 20 and 27 million. In (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Russia and Germany were engaged in the greatest land battle in the history of the planet. The scope and devastation of it was truly appalling - it's what ground Germany up. Of course, neither of those two sides was out to "save" Europe, and (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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