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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:03:54 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
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> > I'm wondering if you really disagree with the Greg's implied stance about the
> > role of the US staving off Germany during WWII.
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> > I don't really get off on the US' role in the war, but my analysis does seem
> > to suggest that the Germans would have more substantially dominated Europe
> > (and by extension, the world) without the US to counter. I once read an
> > analysis that if Hitler had kept us out of things long enough to capture
> > Gibraltar, he would have basically won (or some facsimile thereof).
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> I have to confess that my WWII knowledge is somewhat less than exhaustive.
> However, while I don't deny the importance of the US role, it's tricky to
> say (although Greg has now clarified that he was being sarcastic) that the
> US "saved" Europe, which implies to me that the US was somehow
> singlehandedly responsible for fending off the German army.
> What I really want to know is where the heck was Russia during all this
> Nazi stuff? ;^)
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> Dave!
Russia and Germany were engaged in the greatest land battle in the history
of the planet. The scope and devastation of it was truly appalling - it's
what ground Germany up. Of course, neither of those two sides was out to
"save" Europe, and Stalin would have have been the greatest monster of all
time if not for Hitler.
Whether or not the U.S. "saved" Europe is kinda immaterial since Germany
declared war on the U.S., instead of us riding in on our gallant white
steed. The question if Germany could have been defeated without the U.S. is
an interesting counterfactual.
Bruce
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| (...) Yeah, I'm not a big Stalin fan in any case, but it seems likely that goodly chunk of my ancestry was wiped out by his antics in the Ukraine. I hoped the ;^) would be a tip off, but, balancing that against my admission of ignorance, I can see (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) the (...) I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how many millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the highest casualties in the entire war. What Bruce mentions below is also true. (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I have to confess that my WWII knowledge is somewhat less than exhaustive. However, while I don't deny the importance of the US role, it's tricky to say (although Greg has now clarified that he was being sarcastic) that the US "saved" Europe, (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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