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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 20:20:04 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Simon Bennett writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shaun Sullivan writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> > [snip]
> > >
> > > We are
> > > all aware of China's human rights violations, and we're all aware of the
> > > UK's troubles in Ireland. For that matter, the grenade-tossing incident
> > > stems from centuries-old Catholic/Protestant friction and is, as I
> > > understand it, largely independent of British occupation.
> >
> >
> > Hi Dave,
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> > The above comment really caught me by surprise - I've never before heard of any
> > theory or perspective that could justifiably separate the Catholic/Protestant
> > friction in Northern Ireland from the British presence there. The two elements
> > have always been inextricably linked, and trying to consider one on its own
> > merits without the context of the other one seems rather ... well, impossible.
> > But before I go off on a rant, I figured it might be wise to get some
> > clarification first ...
> >
> > I might be misreading what you wrote - it seems that you're saying that the
> > incident in question was precipitated primarily by religious tensions, but that
> > the British influence/presence in Northern Ireland was not a contributing or
> > related factor?
> >
> > If that is indeed what you're saying, would you mind elaborating? I'd be very
> > interested in hearing the main points in this theory, particularly the basis of
> > that claim.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Shaun
>
> Well, now I've started I may as well get fully involved in .debate!
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> Shaun
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> You may like to consider separating British Military presence (which began
> in the early 1970's at the request of the Catholic community to protect them
> from Protestant violence) from Cultural presence of those from the British
> Isles which began in the 1300s when Scottish tribes invaded Ulster (at which
> time Great Britain did not exist and all the protagonists were recently
> Christianised Celts (Protestantism not existing at the time)). I suggest
> Dave may have meant the former.
The British brought in Scots Pres(oh geez, I can't remember how to spell
this)byterians at a much later date. The Catholic/Protestant thing is not
really independent of British occupation (topmost quote above). One could
typify it as centuries old Irish/Non-Irish friction rather than religious
conflict - and hope that no one notices that the Scots were Irish who
invaded Pictland....
:-)
Bruce
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| (...) Well, now I've started I may as well get fully involved in .debate! Shaun You may like to consider separating British Military presence (which began in the early 1970's at the request of the Catholic community to protect them from Protestant (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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