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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:45:08 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Shaun Sullivan writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> [snip]
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> > We are
> > all aware of China's human rights violations, and we're all aware of the
> > UK's troubles in Ireland. For that matter, the grenade-tossing incident
> > stems from centuries-old Catholic/Protestant friction and is, as I
> > understand it, largely independent of British occupation.
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> Hi Dave,
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> The above comment really caught me by surprise - I've never before heard of any
> theory or perspective that could justifiably separate the Catholic/Protestant
> friction in Northern Ireland from the British presence there. The two elements
> have always been inextricably linked, and trying to consider one on its own
> merits without the context of the other one seems rather ... well, impossible.
> But before I go off on a rant, I figured it might be wise to get some
> clarification first ...
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> I might be misreading what you wrote - it seems that you're saying that the
> incident in question was precipitated primarily by religious tensions, but that
> the British influence/presence in Northern Ireland was not a contributing or
> related factor?
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> If that is indeed what you're saying, would you mind elaborating? I'd be very
> interested in hearing the main points in this theory, particularly the basis of
> that claim.
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> Regards,
> Shaun
Well, now I've started I may as well get fully involved in .debate!
Shaun
You may like to consider separating British Military presence (which began
in the early 1970's at the request of the Catholic community to protect them
from Protestant violence) from Cultural presence of those from the British
Isles which began in the 1300s when Scottish tribes invaded Ulster (at which
time Great Britain did not exist and all the protagonists were recently
Christianised Celts (Protestantism not existing at the time)). I suggest
Dave may have meant the former.
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| (...) Sorry for following myself up but I must say I stand corrected about Dave's meaning. I wasn't too sure I should have put words in his mouth and now it seems the words were wrong in the first place. Sorry All, I never really wanted to open the (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) The British brought in Scots Pres(oh geez, I can't remember how to spell this)byterians at a much later date. The Catholic/Protestant thing is not really independent of British occupation (topmost quote above). One could typify it as centuries (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Muuhahahahaha, etc etc :) (...) This is extremely interesting! My segment of British/Irish history really doesn't go back past the Boyne, so this is a very cloudy period in my knowledge. Were these Scots who invaded in the 14th-C. descended (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: [snip] (...) Hi Dave, The above comment really caught me by surprise - I've never before heard of any theory or perspective that could justifiably separate the Catholic/Protestant friction in Northern (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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