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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Fri, 7 Sep 2001 14:34:31 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mladen Pejic writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mladen Pejic writes:
> > > I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how • many
> > > millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the
> > > highest casualties in the entire war
> >
> > The only question is how many of these 25 million did Stalin off himself
> > (there should be a smiley here, but it is kind of hard to use one when
> > talking about this kinda of mega-death).
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> No comment, I really can't pick a side.
There isn't really a side to pick - ruthless totalitarians willing to slay
millions.
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> He probably was a killer, but he sure did a lot for his country... Much like
> Hitler... Ooo... That doesn't sound good. ;-)
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> Honestly, I'd love to find a leader who doesn't do horrible things when he is
> in power. Remember: "Power corrupts." Bush bombs Iraq, Clinton bombed Serbia...
> Shall I continue?
Poor analogy. Better to say, Hitler invades, Milosevic invades, Saddam
invades and the U.S. reacts. Despite all justifications, deplorable things
happen, of course. "War is hell".
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> >
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> > > The Soviet army reached Hitler's bunker first.
> >
> > That was a political deal.
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> So was dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan and killing thousands of innocent
> civilians. ;-)
No. That was not a political deal between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., nor
does it have anything to do with the other. I just wouldn't list getting to
Hitler's bunker first as any particular superior accomplishment by the
Soviets, that's all.
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> (I could name more things)
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> >
> >
> > > The Battle of Kursk was one of the greatest tank battles in history (Soviets
> > > won).
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> > The Soviets had very good tanks, and lots of them.
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> So? The RAF had radar? Are all their feats of valour diminished because of
> this?
It was just an observation. I was crediting the Soviets, not diminishing
them. I was not attempting to contradict your statement, just amplify it.
The Soviet people fought with great courage and much sacrifice against the
Germans - and it might be noted that the Polish and Finnish people fought
against the soviets with great courage and sacrifice. I am just trying to
keep things in perspective.
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> >
> > > The Soviet army destroyed (i.e. completely) practically all the German armies
> > > that had invaded the U.S.S.R.
> >
> > The death camps you don't hear about - if Hitler was a bigger monster, it
> > wasn't because Stalin didn't try. (another dubious smiley placement)
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> Well, you do forget that Germany was the aggressor and ATTACKED the U.S.S.R.
> Destroyed a lot of its infrastructure, killed lots of Russian civilians, etc.
I neither forgot nor said otherwise, but your observation doesn't invalidate
my comments.
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> I wonder what you would do to an enemy who did this to your country and people?
Did the U.S. slaughter all Japanese and German prisoners of war? Did the
British?
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> >
> > >
> > > Sorry, this post does sound very one sided, but not enough is said about the
> > > U.S.S.R. and it's role in WWII. However, most Americans love
> > > violent pro-American WWII movies which glorify the war, and the U.S.S.R. and
> > > its allies were the "Evil Commies" (yes, that was sarcasm), so this should • not
> > > be very suprising. ;-)
> >
> > But they were the Evil Commies! That doesn't mean the suffering and
> > sacrifice of the common person was any less real, of course, nor should
> > their efforts to subdue the common foe be belittled (it should be noted that
> > as much as we ignore the Russian efforts, they were even worse).
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> In my laziest response, whatever. Those are your beliefs; I could care less.
Then why respond? You have taken just about everything I have said the
wrong way - I'm not quite sure why you are being so defensive.
And it's, "I couldn't care less."
And to amplify on the "Evil Commies", Stalin was just as evil as Hitler.
That's all I meant. No more no less. Whether or not a country is socialist
I don't really care about - ruthless totalitarians I do.
Bruce
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| (...) Do you get kicks out of pointing that out? (sarcasm on) Bruce, tell me something I don't know! (...) Serbia... (...) Suuure. ;-) (sarcasm on yet again) Gee wiz, I feel so safe when the U.S. is around. I love it when they solve a problem (i.e. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) [snip] (...) Serbia... (...) [more snip] I need a little reminding as to who, what, or where was specifically invaded by Milosevic (or indeed, by Yugoslavia at all) that required a US reaction of bombing, invasion, and dismemberment. (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) many (...) No comment, I really can't pick a side. He probably was a killer, but he sure did a lot for his country... Much like Hitler... Ooo... That doesn't sound good. ;-) Honestly, I'd love to find a leader who doesn't do horrible things (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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