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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Fri, 7 Sep 2001 20:02:11 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mladen Pejic writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mladen Pejic writes:
> > > > I'm very suprised (almost shocked!) that you say this? Don't you know how • many
> > > > millions of Russians died during WWII??? [1] 25,568,000!!! These are the
> > > > highest casualties in the entire war
> > >
> > > The only question is how many of these 25 million did Stalin off himself
> > > (there should be a smiley here, but it is kind of hard to use one when
> > > talking about this kinda of mega-death).
> >
> > No comment, I really can't pick a side.
>
> There isn't really a side to pick - ruthless totalitarians willing to slay
> millions.
Do you get kicks out of pointing that out?
(sarcasm on)
Bruce, tell me something I don't know!
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> >
> > He probably was a killer, but he sure did a lot for his country... Much like
> > Hitler... Ooo... That doesn't sound good. ;-)
> >
> > Honestly, I'd love to find a leader who doesn't do horrible things when he is
> > in power. Remember: "Power corrupts." Bush bombs Iraq, Clinton bombed • Serbia...
> > Shall I continue?
>
> Poor analogy. Better to say, Hitler invades, Milosevic invades, Saddam
> invades and the U.S. reacts. Despite all justifications, deplorable things
> happen, of course. "War is hell".
Suuure. ;-)
(sarcasm on yet again)
Gee wiz, I feel so safe when the U.S. is around. I love it when they solve a
problem (i.e. bomb a country)! Ooo... I also love the way they are so
superior; all those cool neat, expensive killing toys!
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> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Soviet army reached Hitler's bunker first.
> > >
> > > That was a political deal.
> >
> > So was dropping two nuclear bombs on Japan and killing thousands of innocent
> > civilians. ;-)
>
> No. That was not a political deal between the U.S. and the U.S.S.R., nor
> does it have anything to do with the other. I just wouldn't list getting to
> Hitler's bunker first as any particular superior accomplishment by the
> Soviets, that's all.
I don't wanna even touch this one... But I will!
The U.S. bombed Japan to show the U.S.S.R. that they had AND were willing to
use nuclear weapons.
Dang, if you don't know that, go back to high school. ;-)
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> >
> > (I could name more things)
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The Battle of Kursk was one of the greatest tank battles in history • (Soviets
> > > > won).
> > >
> > > The Soviets had very good tanks, and lots of them.
> >
> > So? The RAF had radar? Are all their feats of valour diminished because of
> > this?
>
> It was just an observation. I was crediting the Soviets, not diminishing
> them. I was not attempting to contradict your statement, just amplify it.
> The Soviet people fought with great courage and much sacrifice against the
> Germans - and it might be noted that the Polish and Finnish people fought
> against the soviets with great courage and sacrifice. I am just trying to
> keep things in perspective.
I apologize, I misunderstood that statement. :-(
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> >
> > >
> > > > The Soviet army destroyed (i.e. completely) practically all the German • armies
> > > > that had invaded the U.S.S.R.
> > >
> > > The death camps you don't hear about - if Hitler was a bigger monster, it
> > > wasn't because Stalin didn't try. (another dubious smiley placement)
> >
> > Well, you do forget that Germany was the aggressor and ATTACKED the U.S.S.R.
> > Destroyed a lot of its infrastructure, killed lots of Russian civilians, etc.
>
> I neither forgot nor said otherwise, but your observation doesn't invalidate
> my comments.
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> >
> > I wonder what you would do to an enemy who did this to your country and • people?
>
> Did the U.S. slaughter all Japanese and German prisoners of war? Did the
> British?
The U.S. did drop a bomb on Japan, killed thousands of INNOCENT CIVILIANS.
There's a difference between executing a fascist follower, who wants to butcher
people by joining the army, and murdering thousands of innocent people without
them even knowing it.
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> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, this post does sound very one sided, but not enough is said about • the
> > > > U.S.S.R. and it's role in WWII. However, most Americans love
> > > > violent pro-American WWII movies which glorify the war, and the U.S.S.R. • and
> > > > its allies were the "Evil Commies" (yes, that was sarcasm), so this should • not
> > > > be very suprising. ;-)
> > >
> > > But they were the Evil Commies! That doesn't mean the suffering and
> > > sacrifice of the common person was any less real, of course, nor should
> > > their efforts to subdue the common foe be belittled (it should be noted that
> > > as much as we ignore the Russian efforts, they were even worse).
> >
> > In my laziest response, whatever. Those are your beliefs; I could care less.
>
> Then why respond? You have taken just about everything I have said the
> wrong way - I'm not quite sure why you are being so defensive.
Why do you like to blame the "Commies" so much? Why do you love to point out
facts which have been stated hundreds of times before?
>
> And it's, "I couldn't care less."
No, I'm pretty sure it can be said both ways.
>
> And to amplify on the "Evil Commies", Stalin was just as evil as Hitler.
> That's all I meant. No more no less. Whether or not a country is socialist
> I don't really care about - ruthless totalitarians I do.
Well, Stalin was probably a murder... But I still think without him the Nazis
would have overrun the U.S.S.R. To me, even Bush is a bad, evil... er... very
stupid leader. All leaders screw people over, if you don't believe that, you're
a sucker. ;-)
Stalin killed people, so did Hitler, so did Mao, so did Saddam, so did FDR
(Japan), so did Clinton (Yugoslavia)... Just because Hitler and Stalin are the
top players, doesn't mean that all the other butcherers are excempt... Even one
human life is important.
>
> Bruce
Mladen Pejic, over and out!
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mladenpejic/
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| (...) The initial plan had been to drop one on a relatively untouched German city, which was questionable to some--a question that conveniently vanished in May of 1945. There was also some concern over "why couldn't the bomb have been demonstrated (...) (23 years ago, 8-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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