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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:50:26 GMT
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In lugnet.general, Greg Perry writes:
I experienced two LEGO "firsts" a couple of weeks ago - I visited the local
Zany Brainy store for the first time to check out their LEGO selection and
while there I discovered the first sets that I had seen stamped with the
words I cringe at, "MADE IN CHINA".

Oh no.  Let me check my calendar.  Please tell me it's April first... it's not.

ARRRRGH!  I'm tempted to write some words here that would violate my Lugnet
Terms of Use agreement...

Before proceeding, let me say that I am not any kind of strident political
activist or anyone of any particular high morals or principles.

Oh boy, I *am* politically active.  I've been boycotting goods made in the
Peoples' Republic of China since Tiananmen.  Not that China has seemed to
notice...

However,
avoiding items that are "MADE IN CHINA" is the one "protest" act that I
actively pursue.  This is mainly due to the proddings of my much-more-aware
wife who's interests are more humanitarian and political.  While I certainly
see the problems inherent in a society that forces it's population to work
under virtual "slave labor" conditions, for me the botton line is that
products made in China are inevitably cheap, inferior crap.

And to me, that's not what LEGO toys and products should be about.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating.  I don't think that TLG will permit
the quality of their parts to change.  High-quality manufacturing is performed
in many countries around the world, including the Peoples' Republic of China.
People already complain about the lower quality of clone brands (I have
first-hand experience with Mega Blocks -- I bought one set and found that only
their standard rectangular bricks were acceptably made -- and they were
manufactured in Canada, as I recall).  If TLG doesn't keep up the quality, they
will lose even more toy-store shelf space to the clone brands.

I'm with your wife.  My interests are humanitarian and political.  All kinds of
goods are manufactued in China.  But there's something especially galling about
having luxury items, like childrens' toys, being manufactured by people whose
lives suck.  I will not put a penny in the pocket of a government which proudly
advertises its "right" to imprison and sometimes execute people for the crime
of expressing their opinions.

The two DUPLO sets I found at Zany Brainy that were "MADE IN CHINA" are
http://guide.lugnet.com/set/3263 and http://guide.lugnet.com/set/3264.
These Tez and Google creatures are abominations in and of themselves but
that's a whole other rant that's been worked over many times in these forums.

Obviously, these are not regular LEGO bricks and so perhaps that is the
hair-splitting justification TLC has for farming out the manufacturing to
China.  It does make me wonder though if LEGO is making non-Brick/System
pieces in China how much longer will it be before they move ALL their
manufacturing there?

For me, the fact that they're doing ANY manufacturing there at all is problem
enough.

And what's that going to mean for the overall quality
of their products?  (at this point I could launch into another old favorite
and start lamenting about the fact that newer bricks don't seem to connect
together as well as old ones do, etc.)

Hmmm, I haven't noticed that.  What's your break-point between "new" and "old"?
My 100K-part collection dates back to 1975, and I have only ONE part that was
manufactured out of tolerance (the big black SPUD from set 6110).

At this point I'll end with a couple of questions and comments for my fellow
LEGO-loving fans:

- Does anyone know how prevalent LEGO's use of China based manufacturing is
at the moment?  Anyone familiar with other TLC products made there? (I'm
guessing at least some of the LEGOLand souvenir stuff is made there).  For
all I know LEGO may have been making things in China for years.

Well, maybe their out-sourced stuff, like the souvenirs, as you mentioned, has
been made in China for some time.  I never gave these items much thought, as I
have only been interested in bricks.  Now I will be paying attention to this as
well.

- Am I just being jingo-istic (and euro-centric) in thinking that if LEGO
products across the board begin to be made in China that there will be an
overall reduction in quality?

I think that this will be the least of our worries.

I also wouldn't worry about your concerns about China being Eurocentric or
jingoistic.  My wife is Chinese, and she supports the China boycott.  One of
the strongest advocates of the China boycott is former PRC citizen Harry Wu.

Consider how you would have felt is TLG announced that it was manufacturing in
Serbia, prior to the handover of Milosevic to the UN Tribunal.  Wouldn't that
have left a bad taste in your mouth, too?

Would it have bothered you in the least if you discovered that Lego was now
being made in Japan?

There, this has nothing to do with Europeans vs. non-Europeans.

- Does anyone think LEGO is the kind of company that would NOT move to China
if people raised a stink about it?

TLG likes to talk about its "values."  Manufacturing in People's Republic of
China is, in my view, incompatible with the kinder, gentler world of play that
TLG likes to promote.

Or do you think that they'll just be
more concerned with the bottom line - especially considering their earnings
reports from the last couple of years?

TLG announced the closure of the manufacturing facility in Enfield,
Connecticut.  TLG announced the opening of a new manufacturing facility in
Eastern Europe -- Slovakia, I think?  But TLG has apparently started
manufacturing in China without a press release.  This is not encouraging.  It
appears to me that they tried to keep this information from the consumer as
long as possible, knowing that some of us would be offended.

Anyway, I've been wanting to vent my mild frustration and dismay at
discovering LEGO products were now being MADE IN CHINA.

My frustration and dismay are hardly mild.  I have a few more Brickbay orders
to fill, and then I'm done buying Lego!  I will have hundreds of extra dollars
in my pocket next year.  It's time for me to rediscover my music hobby...

Wouldn't surprise
me to find out that no one else gives a brick but hey, that's the great
thing about the Internet - any crackpot can moan, grumble and whine about
any old thing they want.  But where there's one crank there's usually at
least one more...

So there's my BotW.

Greg

Almost three years ago, I rediscovered Lego with my three year-old son.  He
loves them.  When I contemplated adding to our collection, the FIRST thing I
checked was to see where Lego was being built in this day and age.  I was
pleasantly surprised to see same names I saw when I was a kid: the U.S.,
Switzerland, and Germany.  While I am a tireless critic, and that includes
criticism of the American political system, all three of these countries show
at least a modicum of respect for their people.  Even though Lego was
EXPENSIVE, I opened my wallet, again and again.

I guess that we have enough Lego now.

It's time for a new acronym in the Lego community.  I am now an AFOOL -- an
Adult Fan of OLD Lego.

Remember how crazy TLG became over the European artist who built Lego
concentration camp scenes?  I'm going to look into building a Tiananmen Square
massacre scene for my next MOC.

It took a decade of pressure to change South Africa.  How long will it take to
change China?

--
John J. Ladasky Jr., Ph.D.
Department of Biology
Johns Hopkins University
Baltimore, MD 21218



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John - thank you for your response to my posting. I'm sorry, of course, that I had to break this news to you. At the same time it's nice to get a response from someone else who thinks that this a valid concern (and not simply racist, bigoted (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego)

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  Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
 
I experienced two LEGO "firsts" a couple of weeks ago - I visited the local Zany Brainy store for the first time to check out their LEGO selection and while there I discovered the first sets that I had seen stamped with the words I cringe at, "MADE (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.duplo, lugnet.dear-lego) !! 

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