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Re: Bummer of the Week: LEGO Made in China
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Thu, 6 Sep 2001 15:21:36 GMT
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I hear what you are saying - you make some very good points. But lets put
China aside for a moment. Do you think we should trade with the very worst
of governments in the hope that the revenues empower workers in some small
way? Or do you think trade sanctions do have a place in the modern world?
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ka-On Lee writes:
> [About politic]
> In lugnet.general, Greg Perry writes:
> > Or are
> > you just saying that without China I wouldn't have any means of having my
> > electricity delivered or any fine electronic products to run on that
> > electricity?
>
> More or less yes. Your fine product may be assembled in some other
> country, but it's componets can come from anywhere - from tiny resistors
> to motors. There is no 'pure' first world electronic products. Also where is
> your humanitarian concern for the Middle-East when you pump gas or play with
> the plastic bricks?
>
> > > Huh? This is not 1970.
> >
> > My mistake, sorry for being so backwards. I forgot that China now allows
> > its citizens to enjoy the freedom of choice in all matters such as choice of
> > career, how many children to produce and what religion to practice.
>
> So while the government took away lots of things already, you want to
> take away their means to earn better live? It must be very
> humanitarian of you to remove the 'Red China threat' by pushing China back to
> the day when they only had nuclear weapons and hungry people.
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> Many Chinese Democratic activists are in favour of more foreign trade with
> China, including The Democratic Party of Hong Kong
> (http://www.dphk.org/e_site/index_e.htm). Foreign trade has been encouraging
> positive changes in the mainland, forcing the government to be more open and
> give the people more channels to contact the rest of the world. They realize
> that although a high number of job-less people may cause an unlikely coup, the
> resulting government would be just more backward.
>
> And in reponse to your "pay the high salaries of pampered and spoiled Europeans
> and Americans", I doubt you envision your children to have a repeative job like
> packaging T-shirts.
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> [About quality]
> > Well, in that case - let's lobby LEGO to move all their manufacturing to
> > China since doing so will have no affect on the quality of their products
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> We have no idea how it would affect the quality. To say it will be 100%
> sure to reduce quality is simply bigoted. Yes a large chunk of products from
> China are of low quality, and the 'Made in China' = low quality has been around
> for so long it's hard to change the impression. I would not buy a car made in
> China without a long term good quality record for the brand, although they are
> not exporting cars yet.
Don't blame poor workmanship - blame poor specification!
Scott A
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> Since LEGO's plastic injection process and sorting process are highly
> automated, low cost labor has limited benefit for them. The only benefit would
> be land and shipping cost.
>
> However since most foreign investor need to bribe their way through all levels
> of corrupted government officals to set foot in China, LEGO may not be up to
> that. But look at the recent Bionical Mask lottery scam, and the total absent
> of extra pieces in recent 2001 sets, I wouldn't be too surprised.
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| "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GJ8yo0.77@lugnet.com... (...) Personally, I do think there is place for individuals not to buy the product of a given company - or specifically favour those from a certain origin. A few years (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) What a loaded topic I got into. Like you mentioned trade sanctions worked in South Africa, but it haven't worked for Iraq and Cuba. It is doubtful that trade sanctions would bring major positive changes in China. The communist still have tight (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) More or less yes. Your fine product may be assembled in some other country, but it's componets can come from anywhere - from tiny resistors to motors. There is no 'pure' first world electronic products. Also where is your humanitarian concern (...) (23 years ago, 6-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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