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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Wow! you did the ++Lar right out of the gate! And I agree with your stance on the on-topicness of the question. Nice consistency over the years, Larry! Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My parents always had respect for my wishes & rights. Scott A (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...while troops were busy toppling statutes for the benefit of the world's media. Scott A (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sure, why not.. website: (URL) (commercial... buy something!) (URL) (slushpile of poorly organized stuff) Residence: Ada, Michigan, USA, but can be found practically anywhere in the US (don't seem to travel overseas as much post 911) at any given (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I salute you, sir, for managing to (properly) end your Schuler-referential sentence with Dave! Well done! There's hope for you yet. ++Lar (Lar:communist :: John Neal:competent/willing 6 wide train builder) (I'm KIDDING!) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'll bite also... (...) (URL) (...) 2 bedroom apartment in Beaverton Oregon, USA, a suburb of Portland. (...) Libertarian And because so much of our debate centers on religion: Unitarian Universalist (...) Masters of Engineering, Computer (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) :-) They'll have to wait until the POA comes up before the Supremes;-D Seriously, though, most of the people I know well are Christians, and so I don't have a lot of "deeper" conversations with non-religious people (not a chat room type of (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like the Schoolhouse Rocks girl at the end of exclamation... Aw darn! That's the end! Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Agreed (...) Just for some sense of appeasement, and maybe know who's who here, (and this is totally not on-topic for off-topic ;) ) but would it be nice to have an o.t-d 'roll call' (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure--it was a good conversation. Maybe a little disappointing for an audience expecting to see us at one another's throats again, but that's how it goes. Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol I just got on-line and see I missed out on all the fun:-) For my part, I thank you for your answers. JOHN (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quick, Dave! Convert, there is still time! ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: <snip> (...) Eh, we all know that ++Lar is a closet socialist. ;) Dave K (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dave K and Larry have both already answered this for me, but I'll underscore their points in case you missed them. In (URL) I had a go at identifying various kinds/degrees of atheism. In one of these, I speculated, someone might accept the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Trivia as to Quebec history aside (I bet I know more about Winona history than you do by the simple fact that I live there), the facts haven't been refuted--every single time your little separatist movement starts talking, your, and the ROC, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ah, but Terry, you seem to be swayed by separatist propaganda. It seems, and maybe it's your 'english being far from perfect', that propaganda and hatred towards anything that isn't what *you* believe is all you go on about. It comes thru loud (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it was in reference in you specifically stating that Dave! was a non-practicing Christian. Before you, Terry, jump in here with your notions as to who the other 'players' are in o.t-d, it's perhaps good that you do some research on the (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll try. I think what was being said by Mr. Schuler(1) is as follows: He acknowledges that christians exist and that they do something called worship. He acknowledges that they hold beliefs. They just don't happen to be HIS beliefs. In other (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think breaching a contract is wrong. That's a general principle. My contract prohibits it. Why? I personally don't think that it would be a good idea for me personally to be an adulterer. So it would be wrong for me. But I am not so (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dang, you're burning the midnight oil, Terry. (...) POVwise, I think it's a noble prospect to hold belief in such a religion. In fact, I have nothing against hinduists, buddhists or whatever the religion may be, so long as it involves (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly. (...) And how so? Religion serves several of the same merits as the aforementioned activities, including social interaction, faith in one's self and morality, which, outside of the church and its parables, might prove difficult to (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A threat to your Nation exists everywhere, should then your President start a world war to wipe out anything that could someday cause a tragedy? If he considers your attitude is a threat to your countries values of peace and freedom, should (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you have a dictionnary? Search for atheism. You'll see i'm right. Here, I'll search for you : a·the·ism (click to hear the word) (th-zm) n. Disbelief in or denial of the existence of God or gods. The doctrine that there is no God or gods. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sports? Playing with friends? Name the social activity you want, it's there for your kids to do during church time for you. (...) Matt, do you really think that if you were born in India form Hinouist parents, you'd be a christian today? Oh, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) cleaning up the messes the previous administration left. North Korea's nuclear program, thanks to Bill Clinton’s foreign policy; Bin Laden never seriously pursued after the first attack on the world trade center, the attack on the USS Cole, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Boy oh boy are you off the mark. John, would you care to field this one for me? 8^) Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh... so we can dispense with the beaurocracy do determine the price of the crime and build a judiciary instead. Seems like a good idea. But what is this mention of a criminal penalty? How does that fit with an 'all rights are property (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think you are confusing atheism, which is to not believe in any god or spiritual entity like gogs, with agnostism. Agnostic people just don't care for religion, but they may believe or not that a God exists. As for you, who believes in (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me guess...that can be attributed to me, right? If so, my apologies. If not, let's hope it wasn't the F-Bomb. <<_Matt Hein_>> Fellow lego enthusiast O s p r e y (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then what would these children do, should they not be forced into church? Hang around at home with a babysitter? Sounds kind of anti-social to me. I wouldn't throw it to brainwashing, since constant preaching 'you will believe' would just (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So people have a value... A $$$ value I mean. Depending on their status, where they live, what they do, how they act... We are far from the "We are all equal" objective here. To me, the fact that money gets involved to settle a crime is wrong. Money (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a difference between debate and propaganda. What he does is not debate. I told you gus my English was far from being perfect! Wreak Havoc... thx for the information. Terry (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd have to agree with Lar here, although it,s true that our debating causes some people to get angry at others on matters that are totally not LEGO-related. I'm not sure the security valve is necessary. I can see myself not even mentionning (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Sean Devolites writes: snip (...) Then you are not dragged, you go willingly. Good for you. Your post is well phrased and very polite, Sean. You are very mature and I agree to your opinion that it is not the place to talk (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Mike Petrucelli writes: <snip> (...) Amen to that! As for your questions still unanswered, like lightning and evolution... 100 years ago, Men didn't understand the first thing about many things that we can now explain (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: I don't hate canadians. I am just not one. I don't have any prejudices against them, I am just not one. I'm not black either. Call me a racist because I say so. If you define identity, I mean the one (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Review some past posts about the efficacy and need for an outlet, without this safety valve, it's argued that the rest of LUGNET would see unpleasant debates break out. I can't speak for others but I daresay I enjoy debating among friends whom (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In a manner of speaking, yes. You can expect a wrongful death lawsuit from his heirs (and insurance company) unless you settle out of court. But even so you may get some criminal penalty applied too... depending on the nature of the accident (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does He have to use stamps, or does he just create the card in my mailbox? (...) I think so (though not for me personally). I think the deal is that the atheist doesn't worship the god in question. Maybe this analogy would work: I believe in (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hellooooo?? This is .DEBATE! Debate-A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition. Notice there is nothing about attacking the other person, just their idea. If we didnt all have oppsoing (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sup all debaters... I just have a quick question for all of ya. No offense intended either. What is the point of having debate in a lego forum? I mean, its meant to be a fun place to talk about, um, legos. But, over here ya got your political (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Apparently so. (...) It *seems* like a good idea, it *seems* like it might work. Because all rights are property rights and all that... Okay, so I accidentally kill my neighbour. Darn it, I say. I must make recompense for the killing. Do I (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, are you? (...) I imagined it already, it's ZERO. There is no bureacracy involved.. We said *capitalist*, remember. The market does it for you. I determine a dollar value every time I do a transaction now. Don't you? Or do you buy stuff (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you confusing 'capitalist' with 'democratic'? (...) A new dollar value determined every time for every transaction... Imagine the beurocracy behind that! LOL (...) Cheers Richie Dulin (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Prosper writes: <snip> (...) I can take much, I can ignore many things, But Terry, You *are* Canadian. You said you have a Canadian passport. Why? Becaouse You *are* Canadian. Your hatred against anything you don't (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) However it should be pointed out that we are neither a guest nor a neighbor. We seem to be taking on more of the role of parent (not a role I wanted the US to take on but by golly, once the war was started, there was no avoiding it), and a (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Capitalist governments, *by definition*, don't just "happen" to get into power, and the process of assigning dollar values is not random, capricious, unappealable, or unchanging. Given those clarifications... yes, in my view, it is OK for such (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The preamble has no force in law, it is used only as support for interpretting the intent of the legislators. This is similar to how the titles of particular statutes are handled. And if you think the word "defense" means invading a non-nuke (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) //...// (...) Excuse me, sir! I agree to most of the things you say, but what is this mixing of politics and religion? Do you really think that being left-winged is equal to being an atheist or what? /Tore A Christian, anti-liberal and (...) (21 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why would sarcasm be a reason *not* to take a comment seriously? (...) But it's okay simply declare that all rights are property rights and assign a dollar value for all transgressions, just because a capitalist government* happens to get into (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi, I've recently seen some swearing in the posts here. I'd rather not, so please try to remain cool. thanks. -Suz Suzanne Rich Green LUGNET Admin (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How about right in the preamble, "provide for the common defense", or how about "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosperity". Bush has his justifications, even if you don't trust in them. You want to talk about (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the justification is there it is implicit, not explicit. Pedro (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) his >motivations for those actions or not. (...) "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Could you show me where in the federal Constitution the invasion of foreign territories is explicitly laid out as part of the duties of the U.S. President? I must have missed that day in civics class... Pathetic republican apologists unite! -- (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. I usually don't get into debate, but this isn't the place to talk about religous beleifs. I'm glad you have an opinion, but I for one, am 14 years old and have been an official member of my church for a year now. I don't have a problem (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A-ha! If *I* did send a windfall your way, no way would I take credit-- I'd sign the card "from God, to Dave!" :-) (...) Whoa, you lost me. Are you saying that it is possible for an Atheist to accept the existence of a God? (...) Thank you. I (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let's go ahead and ignore all the sweeping support GWB received in the state of Texas, and talk just about his tenure as president. I would say successfully launching campaigns to remove both the Taliban and Husein regime from power was a (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not an intentional one. I just meant that any powerful being, like Bill Gates or Ashley Judd, could appear before me and make claims of divinity. But I'd need to see/experience convincing evidence (even if it's accessible only to me) before I (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snipped stuff with which I am not necessarily in disagreement> (...) "convincing case" Do I detect a caveat? (...) lol An example of a "convincing case"? So what if after having read this, I, being a Christian man of substantial means (though (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your response is a tired joke in this case -- I think that Shrub's lack of ability in most areas of his past life show he is not trustworthy. What members of his cabinet do in his name shows me he is not trustworthy (Ashcroft re: Patriot Act). (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course. Guantánamo is still Cuba ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless you're an Arab, or have an Arab-sounding name, or have been to an Arabic nation recently, or know someone who fits any of the above criteria. Then you can be held indefinitely as an "enemy combatant," and no presumption of innocence (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You could just ask me two different times... 8^) Anyway, you've given a nice summary of the problem of Revelation as evidence. Well said. (...) To let you (and myself) somewhat off the hook--part of my hypothetical situation was that Jesus (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Last time I checked one was *presumed* innocent until proven guilty in this country. JOHN (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agreed, but it seems that we are damned if we do, and damned if we don't, considering what happened the last time we exited Iraq. It would be nice to get this right so that it will be our *last* visit to Iraq. JOHN (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Many Iraqis sceptical as Garner tours Baghdad" (URL) wrap] Washington has awarded huge reconstruction projects to US companies but ORHA, which reports to the US military, says it aims to work with Iraqis as much as possible. However, determining (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Provide me with facts that disprove the "given" part -- prove to me that Bush is right and honest. I'm not seeing it on my own. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I appreciate you trying to create an analogy that you think I might find relevant:-) But if you claimed this, how exactly could I expect to get "independent confirmation" of your claim? Personally, I'd use 2 criteria in consideration of your (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John--if I told you that the Risen Christ appeared to me, and that He proclaimed to me that Christians have been doing everything wrong for ~2000 years, would you believe me, or would you suspect that I am either in error or am being (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bush needs his next fix" (URL) what is bad on a national scale is completely dire at a local and state level. While Bush can run up a huge deficit, many states and cities have to balance their budgets, which has left them with the worse budget (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, this one scientist seems to confirm everything Bush asserted. Of course it *is* a plant! JOHN (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert (URL) that doesn't work, try replacing the "www" with the word "archive"] "The scientist has told MET Alpha members that because Iraq's unconventional weapons programs were (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "I'm a ramblin' man....r-a-m-b-l-i-n...ostrophe!" Oh I love that tape Dave K (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're being sarcastic, but I'll take you seriously anyway... my answer is yes. Seems fairer to me than imposing sharia on all residents of a country just because an islamic government happens to get into power. (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) <snip> Far better to simply declare that all rights are property rights and assign a dollar value for all transgressions, eh Larry? Cheers Richie Dulin (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The survival of the human race despite its own stupidity. (Okay, I guess that is kind of subjective) I have a better question for you. Why does lighting occur. Everyone I ask tells me the theory of how it occurs, but no one can tell be why it (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd approve of that, except 1-I'm a bad apple ;-) 2-I'm not American :-O Do I have the right of an opinion even so Lar? :-) I'm joking of course ! US troops are still in Germany? I read somewhere that at any moment, there is at least 1M (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, thank you, Lar, in the name of all Québécois, all BL shop owners, etc etc, to not judge them because you don't agree with me. Although this time, I do agree with your moral choice not to force religion onto your children. That was very (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You are entitle to your opinion, but it's not a load of carp. School community groups, social gatherings or extracuricular activities are necessary to the good devellopment of a child. Sports, Plaing games, having fun, learning Life's lessons, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) After they've been brainwashed since they first could understand words, you mean, by being forced to attend church up til then? We chose not to do that to our children. They can decide for themselves once they're old enough but for now we are (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) More on this topic... a class action suit is in the works in DC (URL) the following is first in a series on these noxious devices (from last year): (URL) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course kids need an education or society would be generally uncultured, but I really don't think someone...oh say, ten years in age, should possess the legal right to deny to go to church, or for that fact, any legitimate social situation. (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Francis Fukayama argues that now is the time to close our Saudi bases: (URL) thesis includes the notion that doing so now would not be perceived as a retreat, unlike if we wait a while, when there will be more unrest. Coupled with the currently (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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First off, I'm joining in here because I agree with part of Terry's opinion. I'm not speaking for him, I just hate it when this kinda thing happens. I don't know him and am speaking only in regards to this particular topic. Now then... (...) I think (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wait a moment here...with the logic you're advocating you claim: Parents shouldn't drag their children into situations they may not be competent to decide for themselves. With such logic, you can also bring this argument to say that kids (...) (21 years ago, 21-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was, in fact asking this question because I don't approve of children being dragged to church by their parents. Religion (or absemce of) should be a decision that we make alone, without the parental influence. We all know that people believe (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Just something I happened to stumble across... a part of TrainWeb I hadn't seen before. That site is an amazing resource for train related stuff. GM's campaign (or conspiracy if you like) against mass transit: (URL) specifically (URL) trolleys are (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ...and non-existent to the radical Christians, which there seem to be more and more of every day. Go ahead, try to sweep your own people under the rug, but you can't deny there are quite a number of absolute NUTCASES that swing some decent (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I think I like where Dave! is going with this stuff -- and again, this liberal stance doesn't respect parties: w oppose corruption, cronyism, and stupidity in matters domestic and foreign irrespective of which party is involved. Right now, we are (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course, you judge your own values better to others. Muslims would also have great arguments to debate with you, I suppose. That's not the point. We can't kill others. It's a human right to be alive, to have our life preserved and protected. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Should it react at all? Are we in trouble? If so, exactly what kind of trouble? (...) Read some paragraphs above: you stated *clearly* that you were referring to Arabs, as you supposed that the author was too. (...) Of course not. You won't (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Right there, I can tell you exactly why you are mistaking. Oussama Bin Laden attacked USA because of USA's foreign affairs. Your country gets involved in almost every political tension in the world, even when USA has nothing to do with it and (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Careful--in principle, God's nonexistence can be proven simply by demonstrating a logical contradiction in his essential nature. Of course, the faithful are generally willing to accept any number of logical contradictions in order to preserve (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) lol Absolutely nothing-- it's not really my problem! I just found the statistics interesting and am just wondering how *Europe* will react. (...) Again, I don't want to speak about *Arabs*, unless we are talking about those Arabs who are (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Really, you are the biggest bore. I have never suggested conspiracy -- ever! I have suggested favors in exchange for favors, which you seem ready to admit as a fact of political life. So wonderful, we agree. I hope you don't mind my pointing out who (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So doesn't that make your own distinction between "Muslim" and "Arab" a bit shakier? You claimed to be referring to Muslims, and that Arab was a race-related term. (...) (and exactly what do you propose to do about it???) Don't you think it's (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What you are asking for is akin to me asking you to prove that God doesn't exist. The facts that you are providing are not causal, but more like coincidental, and certainly not evidence of conspiratorial. Bechtel got some contracts. Fine. And (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To answer your question above, I was referring, as I believe the author of the article was as well, to Arab immigration and their direct descendants post WWII. When I said "dominated", I meant in the context of numbers. The Muslim population (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) About 20% strong. The number comes from the percentage Mr. Le Pen had in the last presidential election. (...) (To John: a significant number of Muslims has lived in Europe for centuries, notably in the Balkans. They are not Arabs, and they (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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