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Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community)
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Mon, 21 Apr 2003 04:10:41 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Stefan Garcia writes:
> I think you're right only in that kids should be forced into school. They
> do, after all, have to learn something in order to make sense of the rest of
> their lives. As for the rest, let the kids decide for themselves.
Of course kids need an education or society would be generally
uncultured, but I really don't think someone...oh say,
ten years in age, should possess the legal right to deny
to go to church, or for that fact, any legitimate
social situation. In my opinion, that sounds rather
anti-social, which raises some red flags.
> When a kid is old enough and smart enough to know what he wants, let him/her
> do that. As long as it doesn't involve anything illegal of course. That's
> what makes America a great nation at the heart of it. (yes, I am involving
> patriotism here, yes, I'm american, and hell yes I love this country) It's
> what makes democracy great. Options.
Perhaps so, but that should truely be determined on
a case by case basis. If a kid by the age of fifteen
or so can deliver a legitimate, thought provoking,
and/ or sensible reason as to eschew church, then
by all means they don't have to attend. But otherwise,
the lack of this demonstrative reason will only show
their misjudgement. And oh yes, I do love my country,
if anyone has a question towards that affair.
> Why is everyone so eager to blaim atheists (I'm agnostic, btw)? There is
> nothing wrong with having a different opinion. See my above for the rest.
HMMM?! Gee, I wonder why?! No, there isn't a problem
with being wrong. However, I have read a lot of comments
from atheists, and Terry's just has to take the cake...
> *sigh* Christianity, great in idea, flawed in execution. Then again, so is
> any religion. I do think though, that parents should be allowed to instill
> morals in their children. This, unfortunately Terry, may require church.
Yes, and morality, by the way, is one of the foundations
of the societal structure, along wiht fidelity (whether
in the self, the family or god.) However, some people
cannot realize this truth. That's okay, they can turn the
cheek all they want, but I won't, I refuse to.
> Hah! Bullcrap. I was forced into church today by my mother.
Well, good for you, Stephen. Maybe your mother was
considering in your best interests. What would you
be doing besides church, anyway? Just your normal
routine?
Sometimes a weekly change, by going to church is
refreshing. Go out, get some air, enjoy life.
> So would moral values without the "god" aspect.
Perhaps so, but in my theory, god simply serves as
a placeholder for faith, an instrument in which some
can place their fidelity to commit good acts. You
don't need god to conduct such actions, but god can
serve as a rock of faith when depression or the
like hits. Now, if I felt downtrodden, would I ask
myself, 'what would jesus do', act morose the rest
of the day or place my faith really in nothing.
> Probably.
Well, I see your perception is somewhat flawed,
perhaps thrown back to the sixteenth century
salem fiasco. You might reconsider fast forwarding
a good four hundred years or so, Stephan, and
realize that's a very remote possibility.
If you were an atheist, the priest would probably
respect your opinion or give you spiritual guidance.
Nowhere do I see the flames of repentance flickering
about, awaiting to devour the 'impious'. That's a
damned myth that should have died years ago.
> What do you say then Matt, about those zealots on the street who "preach the
> word of the lord?" Oh, and religious people usually are not so perfect
> outside of church. A favorite quote of mine: "be a good littl christian
> boy, or I'll slap the snot out of you!" Forget where I got it, but I do see
> it all the time.
Well, what would you think If I draw out this little analogy,
Stephan? Every day you watch TV, read a book or walk outside
you're inundated a thousand ways with preaching, and probably
wouldn't realize it. Of course, it comes in a variety of
fashions, not entirely being vocal. How about media? They're
preaching for you to buy their product. Politicians preach
to gain your vote. People wear jeans and you may be attracted
to purchase them. What about the local paper? Every day I read,
the editorial section is preaching about another topic, hoping
to gain assent. They all have similar aims as the preacher on
the street, which have the intent of garnering your interest,
imput or funds.
Yet, we all attack the preacher due to the inherent fact
religion is such a sensitive subject. Life is facetious...
> > > God doesn't exist. If he did, he'd be a real ass-hole letting all those
> > > people suffer.
>
> Hehe, agreed.
Well, I don't know what to say about you, Stefan...
but I'll pray for you nonetheless. Here's to a long
life.
> Don't you just love how tolerant those wonderful religious folk are?
Irony is great, isn't it? Some preach for peace,
but instead rely on violence...some side with
the majority on a particular issue, then switch
when the odds are against them. Some take a false
stand, a bravado, then bury their heads in the sand
at the slightest hint of altercation.
That's life, get over it. You think I'm intolerant?
Look at Terry. When David Shwanke set up his shop,
a brick and a prayer on Bricklink, Terry immediately
unleashed a string of anger and acrimony at the man,
for the noble prospect of the offer of a prayer.
Gee, that's really tolerant, isn't it? NO!!!
> > <<_Matt Hein_>>
> > Fellow christian enthusiast
>
> I knew this kind of open-mindedness could only come from a christian!
Thanks for my daily laugh, Stefan. Ah, humor, nothing
can get better than it. I tell you, my ideal weekend
would be comprised of posting politically incited
song lyrics and insane arguments just to hear the
recipient's reactions. Thank you for enlightening me!
> How's that for being competent?
Oh, so you managed to deliver a 'thought provoking'
reply to me, Stefan. That's really nice. Give your
mother a tangible and eloquent explanation for your
reasons against attending church, and deliver me the
results. Only your mother can judge your competence.
> Oh, and btw, I'm 15.
Oh, and I'm 18. How's that for irony?
> -Stefan-
> If I offended anyone, umm...oops. Oh well.
That's life. If anyone thinks they can appease
to everyone in the masses, that's a failed
prospect from conception.
> I'm American, and entitled to a damn opinion.
> As is anyone else.
A cheer for democracy.
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