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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:39:18 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin writes:
> > > Are you confusing 'capitalist' with 'democratic'?
> >
> > Nope, are you?
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> Apparently so.
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> > > A new dollar value determined every time for every transaction... Imagine
> > > the beurocracy behind that! LOL
> >
> > I imagined it already, it's ZERO. There is no bureacracy involved.. We said
> > *capitalist*, remember. The market does it for you. I determine a dollar
> > value every time I do a transaction now. Don't you? Or do you buy stuff
> > without consideration for what it costs?
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> It *seems* like a good idea, it *seems* like it might work. Because all
> rights are property rights and all that...
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> Okay, so I accidentally kill my neighbour.
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> Darn it, I say. I must make recompense for the killing. Do I look under his
> shoe for his price tag?
In a manner of speaking, yes. You can expect a wrongful death lawsuit from
his heirs (and insurance company) unless you settle out of court. But even
so you may get some criminal penalty applied too... depending on the nature
of the accident (we didn't specify if we are talking anarchocapitalist here
or minarchy... I tend to prefer minarchy as i'm not convinced you can
entirely do away with common law and the legal system, and am willing to
grant government a monopoly on criminal justice)
> > You may want to review how a free market determines prices.
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> IIRC it is through the interaction of supply and demand that prices for
> goods and services are determined. Which works very nicely for goods and
> services, but...
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> Adultery is wrong.
Why is it wrong?
Are you referring to a specific marriage contract or just talking in
general. Absent a contract specifying some specific prohibition, which
presumably would also specify terms for breach, it's not wrong per se, is it?
> Adultery is therefore a violation of a property right.
Possibly. Depends on the contract.
> Adultery therefore has a dollar value.
Possibly. Depends on the contract.
> Where's the 'market' for adultery?
Depends. Rather different in Nevada than Utah I suppose.
> What if I commit adultery with someone who doesn't normally charge for it?
Your lucky day?
> Where's the price tag? Do I have to offer to commit adultery with multiple
> partners (or against multiple partners?) to determine the value?
Well it's certainly selfless of you to volunteer for the research but it
probably won't be necessary. :-)
In general, I don't have to sell my house multiple times to know what the
value is, I can use comps and appraisals if I really need to know a value at
a particular time.
> Cheers
But we digress... Do you agree or disagree with the assertion that sharia is
not a particularly just system and further, that it may be symptomatic of a
fundamental problem with islam being considered a religion of 'peace'? I
didn't get a clear answer there yet I don't think....
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| So people have a value... A $$$ value I mean. Depending on their status, where they live, what they do, how they act... We are far from the "We are all equal" objective here. To me, the fact that money gets involved to settle a crime is wrong. Money (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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| (...) Ahh... so we can dispense with the beaurocracy do determine the price of the crime and build a judiciary instead. Seems like a good idea. But what is this mention of a criminal penalty? How does that fit with an 'all rights are property (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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| (...) Apparently so. (...) It *seems* like a good idea, it *seems* like it might work. Because all rights are property rights and all that... Okay, so I accidentally kill my neighbour. Darn it, I say. I must make recompense for the killing. Do I (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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