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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Sat, 19 Apr 2003 03:33:12 GMT
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
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> > What I found most interesting about it is his addressing the issue of the
> > growing Muslim population of Europe, especially in France. In that context,
> > it is understandable to see the growing rift between countries like France
> > and the US, and in particular WRT to the existence of the State of Israel.
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> In the context that the Muslim population is growing in Europe, it might be
> interesting, but the article you quote is absolutely venomous about it.
> Since you make no mention of it even after me refering to the article as
> "drivel" and "trash", I would suspect that you haven't picked up on that
> venom in the least.
Oh, the bitterness didn't escape me. And I never claimed to ascribe to his
view-- I just, as I said in my one word review, found it "interesting". How
many feel the same as he? Is it a growing sentiment? I have no idea. I
frankly didn't even realize that such sentiments even existed in France.
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> > Consider the article below:
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> > http://www.muslimnews.co.uk/news/news.php?article=4432
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> "But for Europeans it is local politics. The 15 million Muslims of the
> European Union (EU)—up to three times as many as live in the United
> States—are becoming a more powerful political force than the fabled Arab
> street."
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> Note how the other article claims that there are 10 million muslims in
> France, which leaves 5 million for the rest of the EU (or somebody is making
> up numbers). Also, what is the total population of the EU versus the US?
> If the US population is 1/3 of the EU then the proportions would be the same.
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> > There are those who believe that if the current population trends continue,
> > Europe will either become as Muslim as current Arab states or be headed for
> > civil war.
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> What are you driving at here? You don't mean civil war in any case, you
> mean racial or religious war.
That as Europe becomes more and more influenced politically by Muslims, the
rift between the US and Europe will only widen. The day is coming when modern,
secular European nations are going to find themselves dominated by indigenous
Muslims who follow a religion that has yet to pass through enlightenment. And
I don't forsee any happy endings. As far as any conflict goes, I don't see any
difference upon what basis a civil war would be fought-- I was talking about
conflicts *within* European countries such as France or Germany. Or maybe I
missed your point.
JOHN
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| (...) Ah! There it is! The proven fact that you are a racist. What? You think your religion is enlightened? Can you tell us which religions have passed the JohnNeal test of Enlightenment? Please, show the world the greatness of your prejudices! (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both ways. There has (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) In the context that the Muslim population is growing in Europe, it might be interesting, but the article you quote is absolutely venomous about it. Since you make no mention of it even after me refering to the article as "drivel" and "trash", (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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