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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Sun, 20 Apr 2003 00:27:49 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Pedro Silva writes:
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> > > (To John: a significant number of Muslims has lived in Europe for centuries,
> > > notably in the Balkans. They are not Arabs, and they have little to none
> > > political expression as a lobby in Western Europe. So in fact when you're
> > > referring to Muslims in WE, you are indeed confusing them with the Arab
> > > immigration - and that is dangerously close to racial profiling. I will
> > > however admit this to be unintentional)
> > >
> > > > > That as Europe becomes more and more influenced politically by Muslims, the
> > > > > rift between the US and Europe will only widen. The day is coming when
> > > > > modern, secular European nations are going to find themselves dominated by
> > > > > indigenous Muslims who follow a religion that has yet to pass through
> > > > > enlightenment.
> > >
> > > ("Dominated"???)
> >
> > To answer your question above, I was referring, as I believe the author of the
> > article was as well, to Arab immigration and their direct descendants post WWII.
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> So doesn't that make your own distinction between "Muslim" and "Arab" a bit
> shakier? You claimed to be referring to Muslims, and that Arab was a
> race-related term.
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> > When I said "dominated", I meant in the context of numbers. The Muslim
> > population continues to grow throughout Europe as the European population
> > continues to slide. At some point in the not-too-distant future, the Muslim
> > population will be in the majority in terms of a voting lobby.
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> (and exactly what do you propose to do about it???)
lol Absolutely nothing-- it's not really my problem! I just found the
statistics interesting and am just wondering how *Europe* will react.
> Don't you think it's a bit awkward to speak of "arabizing" Europe, when from
> a rough total of 450 million European Citizens (1), only some 15 million are
> of Arab origin? And knowing that, in the overall context, also the numbers
> of Hindus or Chinese are increasing significantly? Wasn't that very same
> multiculturalism/tolerance that made America so great?
Again, I don't want to speak about *Arabs*, unless we are talking about those
Arabs who are radicalized Muslims. You will not find much tolerance in the US
for such ilk. America became great because of *mutual* respect of different
cultures-- that is a concept that is non-existent to the radical Muslim.
> Do you realize that the very same argument the author uses towards Arabs was
> used two generations ago regarding Jews?
I don't hear the author speaking of a "master race" and all of that. A major
difference here is the radical element that is a part of the Muslim package.
The Jews never presented a physical threat to their respective countries as the
radicalized factions of Islam do.
> Also, are you aware of whom is using that argument *in* Europe right now?
Not especially.
> Sure, I noticed a very strong Arab presence in France (there is no doubt
> about that). I also realized that the majority of the unemployed youngsters
> (or sub-employed) are of Arab origin. Would that be a possible explanation
> for the degree of disenfranchising they experience in a society that still
> regards them as foreigners? It's so easy to point out the Arabs as the
> causers of the unrest in the french "banlieues"... but who has put them in
> those ghettos in the first place? Wouldn't they be people like the man who
> wrote this article?
All I wanted to point out was that the threat of Islamic extremists isn't only
the US's problem-- it is going to be on Europe's doorstep soon. We in the US
have set a course as to how we intent to address this threat. All I see is
Europe opposing us in our fight instead of joining forces with us. The sooner
they address the issue the better for their own sake.
Muslims in France may be peaceful, but if there is growing unrest among them,
then they are ripe for radicalization.
JOHN
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| (...) Right there, I can tell you exactly why you are mistaking. Oussama Bin Laden attacked USA because of USA's foreign affairs. Your country gets involved in almost every political tension in the world, even when USA has nothing to do with it and (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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| (...) Should it react at all? Are we in trouble? If so, exactly what kind of trouble? (...) Read some paragraphs above: you stated *clearly* that you were referring to Arabs, as you supposed that the author was too. (...) Of course not. You won't (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
| | | Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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| (...) ...and non-existent to the radical Christians, which there seem to be more and more of every day. Go ahead, try to sweep your own people under the rug, but you can't deny there are quite a number of absolute NUTCASES that swing some decent (...) (21 years ago, 20-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) So doesn't that make your own distinction between "Muslim" and "Arab" a bit shakier? You claimed to be referring to Muslims, and that Arab was a race-related term. (...) (and exactly what do you propose to do about it???) Don't you think it's (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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