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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Sat, 19 Apr 2003 04:37:14 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Terry Prosper writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > > That as Europe becomes more and more influenced politically by Muslims, the
> > > > rift between the US and Europe will only widen. The day is coming when • modern,
> > > > secular European nations are going to find themselves dominated by indigenous
> > > > Muslims who follow a religion that has yet to pass through enlightenment.
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> > > Ah! There it is! The proven fact that you are a racist.
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> > Okay, let's put away the racist card already. Islam is a *religion*.
> > Followers of Islam are *Muslims*. "Arab" is a race term, not "Muslim", okay?
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> All right. Why don't we use the term "bigot" then?
Thank you. But really, I haven't a problem with Islam per se. There are many
peaceful Muslims. What I *do* have a problem with are extremist Muslims who
tend to comprise a shockingly high percentage of the Muslim population, and the
seemingly indifference or even support of them by general Muslim population,
and the overall desire of the Muslim population for the destruction of the
State of Israel.
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> > "Enlightenment" A philosophical movement of the 18th century that emphasized
> > the use of reason to scrutinize previously accepted doctrines and traditions
> > and that brought about many humanitarian reforms.
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> > I meant it in a historical context.
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> If you're going to use the term "enlightenment" as litmus test to determine
> whether a group is worthy of respect, then you need to throw out groups that
> work to foster pseudoscience in education or which try do eliminate the
> division between church and state--both of these are contrary to
> post-enlightenment thinking but are rampant among certain groups here in the US.
I would say only if those beliefs led their followers to violence.
JOHN
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| (...) It might be useful to have a clear, legitimate tally of extremists relative to the whole sample population. We can't use the US media or Arab-state-run media, since both of these sources are tainted. There are over a billion Muslims in the (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) All right. Why don't we use the term "bigot" then? (...) If you're going to use the term "enlightenment" as litmus test to determine whether a group is worthy of respect, then you need to throw out groups that work to foster pseudoscience in (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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