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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Sat, 19 Apr 2003 19:32:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > Oh, the bitterness didn't escape me. And I never claimed to ascribe to his
> > view-- I just, as I said in my one word review, found it "interesting". How
> > many feel the same as he? Is it a growing sentiment? I have no idea. I
> > frankly didn't even realize that such sentiments even existed in France.
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> France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its
> colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That
> reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both
> ways.
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> There has been a backlash movement against Arabs/Islamics in France and
> Germany for some time now. I haven't really kept track of it, so I can't
> say if it is growing, staying even, or shrinking, or even how big it really is.
About 20% strong. The number comes from the percentage Mr. Le Pen had in the
last presidential election.
> > > > There are those who believe that if the current population trends continue,
> > > > Europe will either become as Muslim as current Arab states or be headed for
> > > > civil war.
(To John: a significant number of Muslims has lived in Europe for centuries,
notably in the Balkans. They are not Arabs, and they have little to none
political expression as a lobby in Western Europe. So in fact when you're
referring to Muslims in WE, you are indeed confusing them with the Arab
immigration - and that is dangerously close to racial profiling. I will
however admit this to be unintentional)
> > > What are you driving at here? You don't mean civil war in any case, you
> > > mean racial or religious war.
> >
> >
> > That as Europe becomes more and more influenced politically by Muslims, the
> > rift between the US and Europe will only widen. The day is coming when modern,
> > secular European nations are going to find themselves dominated by indigenous
> > Muslims who follow a religion that has yet to pass through enlightenment.
("Dominated"???)
> Enlightenment is a relative thing. At one time it was far more enlightened
> than Christianity. But then again, many Christian forces in this country
> want to replace science with their dogma. The pendulum swings both ways.
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> The United States and Europe have never seen completely eye-to-eye. Will
> Islamic influence widen the gap? Possibly. Maybe we should be a little
> more sensitive to such an influential force then?
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> > And I don't forsee any happy endings. As far as any conflict goes, I don't see any
> > difference upon what basis a civil war would be fought-- I was talking about
> > conflicts *within* European countries such as France or Germany. Or maybe I
> > missed your point.
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> Pograms, death camps, genocide. Then again, maybe Europe learned something.
Yes, we did (most of us, anyway). The cost was high enough, and we don't
want to have a second lesson. Ever.
Please be smarter over there, you've seen how close to abyss an entire
continent can be driven due to sectarian violence (either religious, racial
or political).
Pedro
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| (...) To answer your question above, I was referring, as I believe the author of the article was as well, to Arab immigration and their direct descendants post WWII. When I said "dominated", I meant in the context of numbers. The Muslim population (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both ways. There has (...) (22 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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