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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:11:09 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> > > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richie Dulin writes:
> > > > Are you confusing 'capitalist' with 'democratic'?
> > >
> > > Nope, are you?
> >
> > Apparently so.
> >
> > > > A new dollar value determined every time for every transaction... Imagine
> > > > the beurocracy behind that! LOL
> > >
> > > I imagined it already, it's ZERO. There is no bureacracy involved.. We said
> > > *capitalist*, remember. The market does it for you. I determine a dollar
> > > value every time I do a transaction now. Don't you? Or do you buy stuff
> > > without consideration for what it costs?
> >
> > It *seems* like a good idea, it *seems* like it might work. Because all
> > rights are property rights and all that...
> >
> > Okay, so I accidentally kill my neighbour.
> >
> > Darn it, I say. I must make recompense for the killing. Do I look under his
> > shoe for his price tag?
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> In a manner of speaking, yes. You can expect a wrongful death lawsuit from
> his heirs (and insurance company) unless you settle out of court. But even
> so you may get some criminal penalty applied too... depending on the nature
> of the accident
Ahh... so we can dispense with the beaurocracy do determine the price of the
crime and build a judiciary instead. Seems like a good idea.
But what is this mention of a criminal penalty? How does that fit with an
'all rights are property rights' system of beliefs?
> (we didn't specify if we are talking anarchocapitalist here
> or minarchy... I tend to prefer minarchy as i'm not convinced you can
> entirely do away with common law and the legal system, and am willing to
> grant government a monopoly on criminal justice)
> > > You may want to review how a free market determines prices.
> >
> > IIRC it is through the interaction of supply and demand that prices for
> > goods and services are determined. Which works very nicely for goods and
> > services, but...
> >
> > Adultery is wrong.
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> Why is it wrong?
You don't think it is wrong?
> Are you referring to a specific marriage contract or just talking in
> general. Absent a contract specifying some specific prohibition, which
> presumably would also specify terms for breach, it's not wrong per se, is it?
Yes, I think it is. If you don't then that's okay, and I accept my example
does not work, so I've snipped it :-)
> In general, I don't have to sell my house multiple times to know what the
> value is, I can use comps and appraisals if I really need to know a value at
> a particular time.
Yes, because a house is a good for which there is a market. But how much are
you worth, dead?
> But we digress... Do you agree or disagree with the assertion that sharia is
> not a particularly just system and further, that it may be symptomatic of a
> fundamental problem with islam being considered a religion of 'peace'? I
> didn't get a clear answer there yet I don't think....
I think it is no more just than the system which declares all rights are
property rights.
Cheers
Richie
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| (...) I think breaching a contract is wrong. That's a general principle. My contract prohibits it. Why? I personally don't think that it would be a good idea for me personally to be an adulterer. So it would be wrong for me. But I am not so (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) In a manner of speaking, yes. You can expect a wrongful death lawsuit from his heirs (and insurance company) unless you settle out of court. But even so you may get some criminal penalty applied too... depending on the nature of the accident (...) (22 years ago, 22-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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