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Re: "France is not a Western Country anymore"
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Sat, 19 Apr 2003 05:39:27 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> > In the context that the Muslim population is growing in Europe, it might be
> > interesting, but the article you quote is absolutely venomous about it.
> > Since you make no mention of it even after me refering to the article as
> > "drivel" and "trash", I would suspect that you haven't picked up on that
> > venom in the least.
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> Oh, the bitterness didn't escape me. And I never claimed to ascribe to his
> view-- I just, as I said in my one word review, found it "interesting". How
> many feel the same as he? Is it a growing sentiment? I have no idea. I
> frankly didn't even realize that such sentiments even existed in France.
France has long had a difficult relationship with Arab countries due to its
colonialism in North Africa (Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia come to mind). That
reverse migration has happened only seems appropriate: the link worked both
ways.
There has been a backlash movement against Arabs/Islamics in France and
Germany for some time now. I haven't really kept track of it, so I can't
say if it is growing, staying even, or shrinking, or even how big it really is.
> > > There are those who believe that if the current population trends continue,
> > > Europe will either become as Muslim as current Arab states or be headed for
> > > civil war.
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> > What are you driving at here? You don't mean civil war in any case, you
> > mean racial or religious war.
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> That as Europe becomes more and more influenced politically by Muslims, the
> rift between the US and Europe will only widen. The day is coming when modern,
> secular European nations are going to find themselves dominated by indigenous
> Muslims who follow a religion that has yet to pass through enlightenment.
Enlightenment is a relative thing. At one time it was far more enlightened
than Christianity. But then again, many Christian forces in this country
want to replace science with their dogma. The pendulum swings both ways.
The United States and Europe have never seen completely eye-to-eye. Will
Islamic influence widen the gap? Possibly. Maybe we should be a little
more sensitive to such an influential force then?
> And I don't forsee any happy endings. As far as any conflict goes, I don't see any
> difference upon what basis a civil war would be fought-- I was talking about
> conflicts *within* European countries such as France or Germany. Or maybe I
> missed your point.
Pograms, death camps, genocide. Then again, maybe Europe learned something.
-->Bruce<--
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| (...) I'm seeing that the term "Enlightenment" was probably too loaded a word for the idea I wished to convey. What I meant by it was an intellectual passing into the 20th Century. By most accounts I have read, it is generally agreed that Islam is (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) About 20% strong. The number comes from the percentage Mr. Le Pen had in the last presidential election. (...) (To John: a significant number of Muslims has lived in Europe for centuries, notably in the Balkans. They are not Arabs, and they (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Oh, the bitterness didn't escape me. And I never claimed to ascribe to his view-- I just, as I said in my one word review, found it "interesting". How many feel the same as he? Is it a growing sentiment? I have no idea. I frankly didn't even (...) (21 years ago, 19-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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