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Re: For some Lego is a religous experience. (Was: Re: Quantifying and Classifying the LEGO Community)
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Tue, 22 Apr 2003 05:29:34 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Matt Hein writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
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> > After they've been brainwashed since they first could understand words, you
> > mean, by being forced to attend church up til then? We chose not to do that
> > to our children. They can decide for themselves once they're old enough but
> > for now we are not forcing them to attend any church.
>
> Then what would these children do, should they not
> be forced into church? Hang around at home with a
> babysitter? Sounds kind of anti-social to me.
Sports? Playing with friends? Name the social activity you want, it's
there for your kids to do during church time for you.
> I wouldn't throw it to brainwashing, since constant
> preaching 'you will believe' would just scare the
> kids off and product the reciprocal effect. You think
> I believe in god because I was brainwashed? Perhaps
> some of my friends have veered off to that side, but my
> beliefs stem from the reading of the scriptures and
> countless pondering on my part.
Matt, do you really think that if you were born in India form Hinouist
parents, you'd be a christian today? Oh, of course, there are exceptions,
but in 99% of all cases, you'd be Hindu and fighting for your beliefs
against Christians point of view.
So yes, it is brainwashing. I was too brainwashed as a kid. I was a
believer. I stopped believing on my own at the late age of 19, although
both my parents, my best friend at the time and almost everyone I knew were
christians. I know for a fact that the reason I believed in god when I was
younger is because I was brainwashed, and I'm thankful that I had the
strenght to fight it later in life. It was a choice i made that i've never
regretted or questionned. But then again, it always sounded so untrue to me...
> > Also, you say "legitimate, thought provoking and/or sensible" reason. What's
> > the metric for that? Would it be sufficient to say "I simply don't choose to
> > accept the tenets of christianity" or would the child have to present a
> > proof for the non decidability the question of the existance of god, or what?
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> Whatever. I think a kid should deliver a response that
> speaks to the heart, to show what they truely believe in.
> No, how can you deliver proof to gods (non)existence
> when finding such proof is theoreticaly impossible?
> If their statement gives the parent reason to think and
> consider, I think that serves well enough.
Nope it doesn't. Religion, unfortunately, is a powerful anti-development
force for kids. It gives them values and rules to follow that makes the
child doubt of his or her own true nature. Religion tells children, for
example, that sex before marriage is bad. What do you think the little girl
that masturbates thinks of herself after hearing that?
This is a real story. I had a frind that lived this situation. Everybody
masturbates, it's a natural thing to do to discover your body. Christian
religion just denies that need, that urge. Oh, it may not be a bullet-proof
example, I'm sure you'll find a way of explaining to me I'm wrong, but it's
still the reality my friend lived as a teen christian girl whosuffered from
unjustified guilt because of religion.
> > Every group has some bad apples. Don't write off all atheists (or all
> > Canadians, or all French speakers, or all movie fans, or all BrickLink
> > sellers, or all LUGNET users) based on Mr. Prosper's comments.
>
> Now, now...I'm not a bigot so as to do that. Perhaps
> when I launched my Atheist comment, I was acting rather
> broad, so my apologies for that.
[with DeNiro's voice in Taxi Driver]
Are you talkin' to me?
>
> But getting back on track, I won't write any particular
> groups off so easily.
>
> Ah yes, I might as well say this now. For those of you
> wondering, I am NOT a racist, I don't hate canadians/
> french, and to tell you the truth, I like movies. (although
> I'm not too sure where that came from, Lar.)
I think he is referring to my website...
http://www.rotule.qc.ca/posters/
I may be wrong, it's just speculation. Anyway, it's so kind of you not to
hate anyone but me...
> > I certainly haven't.
>
> And neither have I written off lugnet. (I'm thankful for
> such a useful resource.)
>
> <<_Matt Hein_>>
> Fellow lego enthusiast
> O s p r e y
Terry
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