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| | | Pre Auction Announcement/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) Todd, the title explains it all. It is a announcement that I intend to have an auction soon - however if anyone wants to buy/trade before the auction starts (my preferred (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | (...) I think (hope) if you had been more explicit that pre-auction buy/trade offers were what you were looking for, the posting would have been ok. I sussed that that was your intent, but I also have communicated with you before about lots which (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | (...) From where I'm standing, the title _doesn't_ explain it all. Your paragraph there _does_ explain it all, but your original message was, in my opinion, in no way as clear as this. I saw this and thought, "well, he's announcing some auctions, or (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | (...) Which, according to the discussion group T&C, belongs in .market.auction only. An announcement of an upcoming auction is still an auction announcement. (...) c /could/should/ (...) That's a very odd statement, coming from someone who last (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Err, not literally the same thing, of course. --Todd (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) (ie : (...) For a second I was going to ask if part of the problem was cross posting between lugnet.market.auction and lugnet.market.buy-sell-trade. Perhaps there should be restrictions on cross posting (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) On loc.uk we have a informal agreement which allows trades, selling items at zero profit and listing fest trade/sale items. I thought it'd never work. But, in reality, it works very well. The problem, as far as I am concerned, is how does one (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | Scott-A wrote in message ... (...) at (...) That informal agreement is actually more restrictive than the charter for the group (per (URL) and (URL) any market post which is related to the UK and not an auction posting is allowed). If you want the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:FpsJ7M.6Kv@lugnet.com... (...) it (...) concerned, (...) UK (...) It is all relative. Before that we had a informal agreement which disallowed any auction/sale/trade posts. There was talk (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, there's those "best offer by Saturday" type announcements which you have indicated as ok for buy-sell-trade (which I agree with when one looks at the market groups from a traffic perspective and what a potential buyer has to follow to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I still do not consider my _intentions_ to be "wrong". I think I did cancel trade/auction posts which I did make by mistake earlier this week (certailnly within the last 2 weeks), so I'm not all bad. (...) done (...) Some of these are close to (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | Scott-A wrote in message ... (...) Hmm, wording on that one is actually a little clearer. (...) the theme group. (...) it really isn't in the right group, looks like he had trouble posting to lugnet.market.auction. (...) of offer is acceptable in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) consider (...) There are almost too many of these now. They just about justify their own group. (...) Of course my problemswould be solved if there was no auction/sale cross posting. Scott A (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Of course, I'm skeptical that it would actually solve anything for you because you posted the same identical auction announcement to three separate groups last summer (each -- ahem -- with an intervening apology before the next repost). And of (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) But there was no problem at the time? (...) How doesit evan relate to lego? (...) auction, (...) he (...) Still borderline. (...) It does appear to be a pre-action anouncment? (...) A slither away from what I did.? (...) hmm (...) Yes. But (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —James Brown
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| | | | | | | | | (...) It relates to Star Wars. "lugnet.starwars– LEGO®/Star Wars®: products (information, opinions, reviews, licensing issues, etc.); building (settings, contexts, characters, projects, models, layouts, plans, tools, tips, etc.); inspiration (ideas, (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | Scott-A wrote in message ... (...) Sorry, shortcutting. I was saying that that posting is more clear what you are offering than your current posting. I know both have the same intent, the older one is better worded. Still, I think you could be more (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) I'm not sure what you're getting on about, exactly. What line? (...) availability... (...) of BST OK-ness. (...) value. Where else would you put it? (...) grey in that he said he MIGHT be auctioning. (...) auctionishness to it at all except in (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Not 100% sure what line you mean, but I'm inferring that you mean posting auction announcements or updates to groups which don't explicitly welcome their presence (i.e., anything outside of .market.auction). (...) Sorta close, but not over the (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) or (...) in (...) weekend") (...) by (...) I'm a little troubled by all this. I have explained my actions. There appears to be little opinion that my post was a "blatant" breaking of the rules. The post was a pre-auction announcement & a (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Right then. I'll retract the word "blatant." Thanks for providing your other example of a pre-auction solicitation for straight-sale items which wasn't a problem -- it helps show much better what your intentions were. (...) Because it's not (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | I'm having trouble collecting my feelings here into something I can post, so I am just going to say for now that I am troubled by the direction this situation is taking, and I'm feeling that Scott may be being unfairly targeted. I hope some other (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) I think Scott's wrong and Todd is right, based on the facts. However, and this is as important if not more so, I think Todd may be overreacting. This (1) has clearly rubbed Todd the wrong way and it has the potential of blowing into a rather (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) I would argure that it is my inaction which caused this situation. (...) lazy (...) auction (...) I'd settle for being treated the same as anyone else. Forget justice and injustice, I'll settle for equality. Look at this post: (URL) then this (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, pressing the "Post Message" button (or equivalent) and causing an auction announcement to appear in .buy-sell-trade is hardly an "inaction." But whatever...the point was clear, I think. (...) You're being treated no differently from (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) Wow. Those aren't just mistakes or carelessness, that first one is an example of willful disregard. I woulda zapped him. (...) No. I don't see it as a cross-post issue. I see it as a "announcement of intent to sell/trade" post to bst, with (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) falls under the "this isn't technically wrong but it can annoy people" statement Todd made a while back. I'm of the opinion that it _should_ be as wrong as posting an auction announcement, but this ain't my sandbox. (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) I feel that way too -- almost -- with the main exception being loc groups, especially if someone wanted to conduct their sale or trade purely in their local region/country/langu.../currency. IMHO, it probably ought to be more verboten in theme (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Yeah, I forgot about these, which is really funny, because something I _want_ to do right now is offer items for sale in the knoxville loc group so I can settle up quickly and with little effort with a few local people. I've feared that would (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Mike Stanley wrote in message <1u8bass0c4pakeh9fjt...ax.com>... (...) their (...) more (...) In my opinion, the amount of non-auction market traffic which has occurred outside of the market groups is fairly reasonable. I think there are times when (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | Mike & Frank & Todd, I suppose the problem is that I'm lazy - some extra words or separate posts were required in retrospect. But please do not assume any deliberate deceit was intended. I'm just a man of few words that it all. Scott A BTW : I read (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Does it matter one way or the other what someone's intentions are when they've *repeatedly* demonstrated a lack of understanding or respect or acceptance of a condition? I think initially it matters a lot, but the second and especially the (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | (...) Well, you don't have to prove anything to me, first of all. I gave an honest opinion/interpretation of your first post, and pointed out that it didn't convey what you thought it conveyed. I don't perceive any particular deceitfulness or (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | (...) Me too -- absolutely. (...) Yah, that's the way to go -- it's easy -- first one FS/FT post to .bst listing all the stuff for sale (and there's nothing wrong with including something saying that anything not sold will later go on the auction (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) be (...) Ok, I've had a night to sleep on my thoughts... The problem I have with any thought of permanently banning Scott from BST (or anyone for that matter) for the next infraction is that Scott's posting (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | (...) Ok, you're talking about Jonathan Wilson. I mostly ignore his posts now, but I'll admit that, in one way, posting auction notices to groups that don't welcome them doesn't quite reach the overall negative effect that Jonathan's posts did. In (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Kind of ironic, huh? :-) AFAIK, Jonathan hadn't broken any of the T&C for the discussion groups. (There's no "you mustn't annoy the bejesus out of people" rule, and at this point I'm not entirely sure there shouldn't be, but that'd be a fun (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | Todd Lehman wrote in message ... (...) want (...) who (...) auctions (...) I'd be curious as to how many people really never ever ever want to see an auction announcement. I would guess that many of the people who got upset at the trend RTL was (...) (25 years ago, 12-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Anders Isaksson
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| | | | | | | | | | Frank Filz skrev i meddelandet ... (...) Probably more than you can imagine! The world is large, and there are all kinds of people. I'd guess that a majority of the readers are *not* here to get auction information, and a fair amount of us are (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | Anders Isaksson wrote in message ... (...) it. (...) and (...) the (...) news (...) to (...) This is certainly a valid issue, and definitely compartmentalized dorkdom is very much a part of the solution, though there needs to be a balance between (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) "posting auction notices to groups that don't welcome" RE : What I did on Friday. There has been no mass protest. Even the debate here in l.g.a has only had contriburion from a handful of posters. (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Is it really necessary for everyone who thinks what you're doing is wrong to say so-- even though there are clearly defined rules to tell you so-- before you'll believe it? Fine, then, I'll do my part. I think your continual posting of (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) to (...) Define what you mean by "continual". (...) doing (...) You are wrong. (...) or (...) fair (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I would think the word means the same thing on your side of the Atlantic as it does on mine. You have crossposted auction announcements before, and been chastised for it before, and said you wouldn't do it again before. Yet you do it again. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) as it (...) it (...) You've (...) I don't want to get bogged down of this point. However, to the casual reader, "continual". sound like it is the norm for me. I'm sure you will agree that this is far from being the case? (...) supposed (...) (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I'll merely repeat myself, because I feel I was clear to start with. 1) You have done it in the past. 2) You have been chastised. 3) You have done it after being chastised. 4) You have shown no real remorse for your actions. Quite on the (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) it (...) again (...) OK. So how would you see matters progressing? Before answering, remember I have explained Friday's events several times, and my explanation appears to have been accepted. I do not think, at least I hope not, that anyone (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, since you asked... If you want to prove your sincerity, and get your posting priviledges to .buy-sell-trade back, up the ante if you break the T&C again. Tell Todd that the next time you post an auction announcement to .b-s-t you will (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Well, just to chime in here, I think Scott said he was serious about donating 10 bucks as a fine, although it came off as flippant at first. This may be a UK US thing, or even a US vs all other english speakers thing, but I've noticed that non (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) It may well have been meant in a spirit of fun. Unfortunately, it really wasn't the time for a joke, which is why it came off as flippant. (...) Well, thanks. (...) I don't have an issue with his laziness. He can be as lazy as the day is long (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) There are no mitigating circumstances after the first error. Terms of Service are Terms of Service. Violating them should lead to corrective action. If a person continues to violate, them, and shows that they have no understanding of why ToS's (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | "Lorbaat" <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote in message news:Fpx8v2.6C7@lugnet.com... (...) Service (...) If a (...) understanding of (...) this (...) That is your opinion. (...) it's (...) Again, that is your opinion. (...) are (...) questionable. (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) When he does it three more times, then he'll be in the same class as you. You really don't get it, do you? eric (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) do seem to be getting a little pissy about this. Both of these make you seem like a child trying to get out of trouble by accusing another child of doing something wrong. The first, obviously, is a sale. I'm a little puzzled sometimes by what (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I was just answering the point that Eric was making, that is all. Bickering is not my intention. To be honest, I wish I had enough self restraint to stop myself answering the points raised. I just hate to be misrepresented that is all. I _do_ (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) about that -- thanks for pointing it out), but it certainly hasn't violated any of the discussion group T&C (although if it happened a lot, it would probably fall under posting wildly off-topic or somesuch). --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) So tell us: Whys is it bad, and what will you do to ensure it doesn't happen in the future? (...) Point out to me the phrase in your post that makes it anything but a warning of several upcoming auctions. (...) place for auction announcements? (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) warning of (...) "Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade" (...) It is still in the wrong group. (...) *correct* (...) It is a trade post in the auction group. Surely by now you understand that is the *incorrect* place for trade announcements? (...) (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) I also said that the actions of others don't excuse your actions, which is an issue you've yet to address. Yes, fine, other people have made mistakes. Few have made them, been chastised, and continued to do it, however. More importantly, I (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "Lorbaat" <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote in message news:FpxDFC.4z@lugnet.com... (...) in (...) So you agree the above statement was not 100% accurate? Scott A (...) an (...) Few (...) into (...) ourselves (...) here, (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Eric, While I agree that what Scott did was wrong, I totally disagree that it was a willfull, blatant, attempt to put an auction announcement in BST. It was an attempt to offer the goods for sale/trade prior to being auctioned. It was terribly (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) On the contrary, I've said that I hold no expectation of him doing that. Whether I think it was deliberate or not is immaterial to the consequences that should follow from someone ignoring T&C for the fourth time. (...) He did yesterday, and (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | I guess I should give this up. I will just say that this whole discussion has accomplished absolutely nothing usefull, and all it has accomplished from my point of view is to unfairly roast Scott. I will let my opinion on that stand, and await Todd (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Seconded. in spades. And how. (...) A lot of us including myself are getting spun up about it, and you're right. Scott isn't helping matters, though. Not that it's easy to recant a dug in position! I;m of two minds about the whole thing. I (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Larry Pieniazek wrote in message <38A87F96.A369223F@v...er.net>... (...) I have to agree with you about stubbornness, but I hope people have considered how their responses to Scott have encouraged that stubbornness. Frank (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) This suggestion seems quite reasonable to me. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:Fpxz3G.33p@lugnet.com... (...) hierarchy (...) will (...) announcements. (...) This suggestion seems quite un-reasonable to me. Lastweek I had no intention of breaking any LUGNet rules. Today (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Dan Jezek
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) How about this suggestion: Next time you cross-post lugnet.auction and lugnet.buy-sell-trade with an auction announcement (or something poorly worded), you will send each person you offend a Lego minifig. Those people who feel offended by your (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) person (...) will (...) I would submit to that if everyone else obeyed the same rule if posting material which I/others consider to be offensive. Scott A. (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) But, if you have no intention of breaking the T&C in the future, and you're going to be careful about it (unlike the past), then the repercussions of breaking the rules shouldn't matter, should they? (...) Well, I would, but I doubt I count, (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) you're (...) I wish I was perfect like you Eric. Your argument is taking a reasonable point too far. Do you ever oversleep, I'm sure you must? I'm sure you promise it'll never happen again... and then you do it again. In my opionion , my word (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Scott-A wrote in message ... (...) thing (...) I'm trying to restrain myself on this discussion, so all I will say is that I agree very much with the sentiment Scott is expressing here. Read my other recent posts here if you want to know all my (...) (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Frank Filz wrote in message ... (...) Actually, I fibbed a little above, I'm continuing to develop my feelings, but I'm going to hold off a little and see what happens before expressing them. Frank (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Tom Stangl
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Personally, I suggest Lorbaat and Scott killfile each other and be done with it, and save us all the headache of seeing this dragged on and on and on and on..... (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) Visual FAQ home ***(URL) Bay Area DSMs (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) with it, (...) on..... I'm not sure what "killfile" is, but I shall just assume the worst. I'd be the first to admit that I've made this whole issue worse by continually responded to every single point raised. I've tried really hard not to, (...) (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Huw Millington
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Scott A <s.arthur@hw.ac.uk> wrote in message news:Fq0qDs.CM3@lugnet.com... (...) bitter (...) You have my sympathy. I felt exactly the same when I was set-upon over the retailers scans. Its worrying the effect this virtual community can have on (...) (25 years ago, 16-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Huw Millington
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Frank Filz <ffilz@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:38A867D2.167E@m...ing.com... (...) Hold on a minute - I was the offender in that case :-) Huw (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | (...) Oops. I knew I was going to get confused about people... Sorry folks. (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) One was. And it was addressed. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That wasn't too clear. To be clear, that wasn't meant as a back-handed slap against Scott. It was referring to this one: (URL) Scott kindly pointed out. --Todd (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) By selling Lego I aim to break even. No more. No less. (...) The auctions had not started. It was the intention of the post to: 1. Announce that the auction would start. 2. Try to sell the items before the action did start. By cross posting (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | (...) Well, you're right in that one single incident (this Friday's) did not have the same effect. When I said "posting auction notices" I meant the general act, probably repeated numerous times by numerous people. Slippery slope and all. And (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | Well. I had come online to make some sort of constructive response to end all this. But there is no point, as Frank has done all the hard work for me. All I can say is that I have no intention of breaking any rules again, and it is still my (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) What assurances can you offer that it won't happen again? Alternatively, what do you think would be a fair and appropriate measure to take if it did happen again? (Before answering, consider that we are talking about the _fourth_ time here.) (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:<FpvHKo.1Cy@lugnet.com>... (...) end (...) me. (...) and (...) This (...) to (...) talking (...) If it happens again, I'll give $10 to charity in the name : "Timmy" Scott A (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Hmm, is that meant to be humorous or flippant? --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | Todd Lehman <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:FpvI0s.2B9@lugnet.com... (...) Just a gesture. I really do think this thing has gotten a little out of proportion. The fact that almost nobody appears to have bothered about my post, and that (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | Scott-A wrote in message ... (...) Ok, after reading everything, I'm ready to comment here... Scott, I have not done all the hard work for you. While I agree that this has gotten out of hand, I also question whether you really understand why this (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | butting in again. (...) I said this to eric already... I think Scott really means that if he slips up he WILL donate 10, as he outlined before. Fault him for saying it in a flippant way at first, but I think if you go back and look at his responses, (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) Fine == Fee And it does far more than ten in harm. --Todd (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) One off topic post? Maybe. I could see how it might. Ten dollars is what one person pays, as a lifetime membership, at the minimum. If that one off topic post drives away more than one person I could see that, I guess. But I kind of doubt it. (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) As a note, Scott didn't say he'd donate $10 to Lugnet. He said "a charity". eric (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Right. And he didn't say which one. Can I nominate the Nikolai and Taya Pieniazek College Fund?? :-) Seriously, perhaps specifying the charity (or specifying it to be Lugnet) makes it a better fine/fee. And BTW I agree with your long and well (...) (25 years ago, 13-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Eric Joslin
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| | | | | | | | (...) Dang, and here I was going to nominate the E. P. Joslin Center for the Study of the Effects of Bushmill's and Guinness. (...) That all just kind of fell out of my head as I typed it. Looking back at it, I didn't so much mean "I didn't want to (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'd like to volunteer for that study. I'll stick with the Bushmill's side of things, though. As a matter of fact... I have some with which to study downstairs right now. (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 03:46:12 GMT, "Lorbaat" <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote: Followups to .theory (...) This is something I've wondered about - if posting eBay auctions here makes much difference. I'm sure it can, but I'm not sure it always does. (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | (...) From my perspective as a buyer, I don't think it has that much effect for my buying. Of course I currently have time to skim the entire daily Lego section of eBay. Probably once a month or every other month, someone announces an auction which (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Mike Stanley
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I think .ebay would be a good idea, myself. I know I'd read it and I know a lot of people have no interest in bidding on stuff on eBay. Look for JABA to rise from the ashes soon. Settling up a couple of outstanding accounts and getting ready (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | Good question. Spose you could ask your winning bidder if you wanted to. Hmm... maybe I'll add it to my standard blurbage. (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) It certainly gets them more hits. I experimented with this with my last batch of 70+ Auctions. I plugged them all on LUGNet & RTL other than one. I can't remember the except details, but for all the others the hit rate was pretty flat over the (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.market.theory)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:Fpw36z.Knp@lugnet.com... (...) I'm not sure what you mean by this? Scott A (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Um... how about: "the harm that one off topic auction posting does to LUGNET, if one ascribes a monetary value to it, is far greater than 10 dollars." How's that? That's the meaning I derived. What would the cost to Lugnet be if we, for (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) For the second half, what Larry said pinned it perfectly: (URL) for the first half ("Fine == Fee") meant that a $10 fine would simply degrade into a $10 fee. That is, some people (not all, of course, and maybe only a very few, but some) would (...) (25 years ago, 14-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | "Todd Lehman" <lehman@javanet.com> wrote in message news:FpxrD3.9ry@lugnet.com... (...) maybe (...) I'm not being obtuse. I've still no idea of what you are getting at. Do you mean I would consider the $10 fee for posting? If so, it is a rather (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Todd Lehman
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| | | | | | (...) I don't believe I said that, no. I said that _some people_ would gladly pay such a fine... It's not a good or workable preceden to set. --Todd (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | (...) you (...) Obviously, $10 is not a deterrent in anyway in monetary terms. I suppose, it would be _having too_ which would be the punishment / chastisement / embarrassment. But then again, as with almost any chastisement, some offenders gain (...) (25 years ago, 15-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | | | | Re: Pre Auction Anouncment/Sale/Trade - Parts & Sets (8448 / 7171 / Pirates) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | Mike & Frank & Todd, I suppose the problem is that I'm lazy - some extra words or separate posts were required in retrospect. But please do not assume any deliberate deceit was intended. I'm just a man of few words that it all. Scott A BTW : I read (...) (25 years ago, 11-Feb-00, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.market.auction)
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