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My Stance —Matthew Moulton

First off I would like to publicly apologize to Jude. I do that more for Jude than I do for me. I killed my emotions a long time ago, so sometimes it's hard to remember that everyone else still feels them. I think the reason I picked Jude and the (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

One thing that I would like to add is that if my posting privileges are reinstated I will only post updates about my webpage, nothing else. And only updates that do not undermine the harmony and sanctity of Lugnet and it's users. -Matthew (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —John Robert-Blaze Kanehl

(...) If ANYONE believes this... please reconsider. Mike Stanley has pretty much said it all. (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Scott Arthur

(...) I think webpage updates need be few and far between. I do not know if Todd is able to limit the number of posts MM can make to (say) once a month/week? Scott A (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I'm tending to side with Mike here. I remember the RTL instruction scans incident all too well. Matt has glossed over that, but my recollection (Ka On Lee posted a deja reference to it) was that anyone that said ANYTHING that suggested that (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Scott Arthur

"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G2ps0v.7xy@lugnet.com... (...) Todd is (...) month/week? (...) ALL (...) nice (...) this (...) devil's (...) to (...) is (...) glossed (...) was (...) about (...) them by (...) Well (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) Scott, do you think this is an appropriate example? I never care much some f words in a post, since I'm using bad language in my everyday life, (but still trying to not use them in my post here since TOS banned them) but is this the key (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) Even more pertinent, glancing over the three posts in question for the "f word" (well, two, since one is cancelled) will show that they are about whether or not the word is offensive... in other words, they were talking about whether or not (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Scott Arthur

(...) word" (...) or (...) It's (...) Sorry I did not read them, and still have not. I'll accept your word for it. Scott A (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Scott Arthur

(...) This issue aside, I don't think it is acceptable to use "bad words" here, and I doubt most people here do either. I don't swear in front of my kids, or anyone else’s. Kids do read Lugnet. Sure Matt did a bad thing. But others fanned his (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Scott Arthur

(...) I'll give people the benifit of the doubt every day of the week, 24 hours a day. I may be a mug. I'm not the only one who thinks MM is just a poor sap who *perhaps* should get another chance in some sort of limited way. I have read your other (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Scott Arthur

LUGNET has many things, and it needs many things. However, I don't feel it needs "loathing animosity" of any kind. I may be wrong? Scott A (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Paul Baulch

Mike, could you please keep this hateful rubbish off LUGNET?!? Thank you. Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) (including (...) community (...) removed (...) LUGNET (...) person (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) So, what you're really saying isn't that you're worried that he'll disrupt the community, but that you don't like his beliefs, so you don't want him here? I'm sorry, I can't agree with that. I just can't. And I dare you to defend that position (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

Eric, I think a not so slight difference between not liking someone, and ridiculing him/her with ugly ways just because you don't like his/her software. I don't like Ldraw much, I use LeoCAD from the very beginning, and think it is superior to Ldraw (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) I'm not saying you shouldn't be offended. I'm just saying that your offense at his beliefs, or thoughts, or graphics on his webpage, or even what he says here, doesn't constitute a good enough reason to ToSs him, IMHO. To think otherwise is to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) Of course not. I posted several posts here about the subject, about how much a good thing that he banned, and about how unnecessary to allow him to post again even in admin, but I never mentioned his sick hatred as an only reason or not a (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —James Simpson

(...) I fully supported the ban on his posting privileges. His repeated diatribes that "James is dead. Deal with it", or whatever was reason enough - not because he in fact holds that uncompassionate and cruel sentiment, but because his repeated (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) Your right. And for that reason, I would support banning him, as well. I would not support banning him *simply* because he maintains that graphic on his website, however. Nor would I support banning him simply because it's what he believes. If (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —John Robert-Blaze Kanehl

(...) Would you give cancer or a terrorist a second chance? Don't fall for plastic sentiment, faux remorse, and hollow words... John (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) First of all, I'm not 100% sure the term "second chance" applies. After all, he is a new member. We're not talking about "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" here. I'm also not suggesting that *every* time he acts up Lugnet (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

Well I promised I wouldn't get to involved in this discussion and I won't in a detailed way. I just wanted to say that I have agreed with just about everything Eric J. has had to say in this discussion. Certain things have been brought into this (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) I'm sure the phrase "new member" must means different things to different people -- perhaps two weeks to one person, two months to another, or even two years to another. In any case, for the record, Matthew's first post here was on April 9, (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Agreed. I went and looked using the search function. I may have missed some but I found a number of posts from Matthew going quite a ways back. Some were hyperbolic, but none (that I found, but I may have missed some) were vitriolic. Nothing (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

(...) <snip? (...) OK quick question(1). Now I don't think many/any of us know much of Matthew other than he has some personal issues to work out and that he likes to cause havoc. So here's the question. Assume that Matthew is say 14 and he is (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) It's very difficult -- and I'm not even going to try -- to sum everything up in a nice simple pat statement (not that you're asking for one), since, to various extents, I agree with almost everything that everyone here has said. My opinions (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general) !

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) Me too. (...) Not sure why he needs to be very careful, since the decision years from now whether or not to banish someone else will still be Todd's decision to make, not mine or yours or anyone else's (unless Todd decides to make it someone (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) I think Eric meant it as wise advice. --Todd (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) D'oh. I don't know where I got the impression that he was fairly new (to posting, at least, because there's no way to tell how long someone's been lurking). That does color things slightly- after all, it means he's been here long enough to (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) I agree. However... I think that there were people who felt that way initially, but that many, if not all, have come around to reject that view. And that's a good thing. For the few remaining, can you identify yourselves and post reasons why (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

(...) I just wanted to add that I agree with Eric J. once again. I know I and a few others were playing a bit of devils advocate durring this discussion. Thats mostly because I thought several peoples reasoning for banishment were misguided. There (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) And/or perhaps in some cases overstated. Or overly stressed. (...) I sent Todd a few private e-mails on this subject (most of which dealt pretty specifically with apologizing for blowing my top and asking him to remove my emotionally charged (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

In lugnet.admin.general, Mike Stanley writes: <snip> (...) That statement I would not take as being a threat but like I said I don't know what people said to Todd privately and I assume there were many people writing Todd privately about the topic (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) I think you may have misunderstood why I mentioned your member number (note I didn't mention mine). I also don't think your number should necessarily indicate you have some sort of status or "power" here. I referenced it simply because I (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Kyle D. Jackson

(...) G'day Eric, I find it interesting that you call this elitist. In a way I guess I can see your point, but I personally don't see it as a bad thing. When I first got on LUGNET (start of this year) I thought that all people posting to LUGNET had (...) (24 years ago, 24-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) #15?.. Heh!..:-) Selçuk, #4 (...) (24 years ago, 25-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) One person said that, but I'm not sure how serious they were. A couple of other people hinted at it. Two or three people (I think two) said that they would set up a killfile. (...) I don't think they meant it as a threat. I certainly didn't (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) Actually I'm not including myself to that a few remaining, but in case of any doubt, here is my reasoning, in which I tried to word it as much clear as possible: (URL) there is any flaws, replies would be really appreciated. Selçuk (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) Wow, what a loaded question, especially given what seems(ed) like a reverse- witch-hunt. I'd like to state first that I realized Friday that I got WAY too worked up about this and posted some things that were, in some cases, petty and (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) So would I. No one ever said you couldn't choose who to like and who not to like. (...) Actually, if I felt that way, yeah, I would be ashamed of myself. (...) Just because he may have been here on Lugnet doesn't mean you *must* associate with (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) People seem to be suggesting, though, that one should not choose to voice that opinion. If person A can voice an opinion that persons B, C, and D find offensive (and to be honest - persons E, F, and G couldn't care less about) I'd say B, C, or (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) So would I. Of course, discussing it would imply the person with the negative opinion was around to discuss it. :D I'm really not saying that you should be forced to agree in any way with anything anyone says, or that you should not have the (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) Which is a succinct way of saying that he was basically a jerk. :) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) strongly (...) to (...) Well it wasn't *intended* as a witch hunt. More of a rhetorical question, because i'm not sure there *are* any people who still feel that someone should be tossed soley for opinions. <snip Mike's eloquent distinction (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) As did I...I think a day or two earlier. I didn't remove all my posts but two or three that were particularly sour. It's interesting how quickly we (humans) can blow up, even when we don't want to. That's probably what I dislike most about (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) No, I don't know that. Not based on what you said. If that's not how you feel, I suggest you stop obsessing over his disrespect for James, because that's certainly how it's sounding. (...) Fine, that was the final straw. But if he's learned (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) And now he might be let back in. So my question stands. (...) How can you be so sure that he's being dishonest? What do you stand to lose if he's given a chance to really show what he wants to do on Lugnet? (...) Where? (...) How can you be (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) I think that I misunderstood how you felt, and I reacted to that. (...) I'm sorry. <:( Although, I'm at work... which of us do you think has it better? :D eric (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Tim Courtney

"Mike Stanley" <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote in message news:G2qJ13.95M@lugnet.com... (...) a (...) sap who (...) overly-nice (...) person (...) many (...) he (...) can (...) that he (...) "apology" - (...) therefore (...) I'm a bit unsure on the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) Why should he not express how he feels? If he leaves it there, and you don't like it, no one is forcing you to go to his site and look at it, or to say that it's right. Why should taking that off his site be a contingency of his being accepted (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Tim Courtney

"Lorbaat" <eric@nospam.thirteen.net> wrote in message news:G2qso5.AAH@lugnet.com... (...) Why should he express that in a manner that attacks the community he claims to want to be a part of? (...) to (...) And no one is forcing me to accept his (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) I think you're confusing the Lugnet community with the LDraw community. Don't. (...) I would think removing it, when he's made it clear he still doesn't feel it was wrong, would be insincere. (...) Do you actually know the definition of the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

Lorbaat wrote: <snip> (...) I think you are stretching a bit Eric. Forget about the JJ icon and look at his "document" about "My views about the self entitled "Lego Community"." (URL) (note the name of the html!!) You respected a community and want (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) Sorry, but I don't. (...) He's simply stating some things he doesn't like about the Lego community as he sees it. What's the problem with that? Once again, what it comes down to is this: Over on *his* site, which you are under no obligation to (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) I think we are not talking about "excluding him from Lugnet", he is already excluded in some way, and not for his web content. What we are talking about is whether his apologies are sincere or not. And his web content makes me believing the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) No, I'm pretty sure we are, since there are people that are still telling Todd they want to see him banned permanently. I don't think that's right, and apparently (based on other people's posts here) I'm not alone in thinking that. Based on (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

(...) Sorry Tim but I think you are wrong here. Do I think the graphic on Matthew's site is distasteful? Yes. Do I care about the other text there? Not really. We cannot make the content of someone's personal site a prerequisite for inclusion in the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Tim Courtney

"Eric Kingsley" <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote in message news:G2qtCJ.CHJ@lugnet.com... (...) Matthew's (...) really. (...) like (...) I should correct myself - not *should* in the sense of a clearcut condition, but as a willful action to demonstrate to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

(...) <snip? (...) First I should appoligize because "Clouds" was not the right word. What I was trying to say is that I think you feel a closer connection with James and his legacy than many of us do. That makes what Matthew did more personal to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

Eric Kingsley wrote: <snip> (...) I will be agreeing you on this for a different case but not this. We are not trying to rationalize to TOS him because of his web content. It's just his web content is another evidence for making his (in my mind) (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Anders Isaksson

Selçuk Göre skrev i meddelandet <39F0D9E8.9A73C9F@su...ne.com>... (...) what (...) I don't think 'suspicions' are enough to judge anyone. 'Evidence' is what's used for that. The evidence in this case are the messages posted on lugnet, nothing else. (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) Friends, I know I'm not very fluent in this language which is native to me, so I rewording it again: He started a flame war. He did that knowingly, and he even chose the person to flame by rather randomly, since he did that just for the sake (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) So the ENTIRE flame war was all me, huh? No one else participated at all? No one else helped add fuel to the fodder? That's kinda funny cause that's not exactly how I remember it. (...) Hey look, a conspiracy theory. Oh hey, here's a thought, (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) Not accurate, no. Beside the point, nobody who wrote me was upset by your views -- only by your attitude and immature behavior level .space and .off-topic.debate. --Todd (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) I don't mean even a bit by the above paragraph it was all you, and the flame war is not a big thing to me as alone. The paragraph is just a chronology, so I put it back to it's original form. (...) Read below. Besides, bet I care even a bit (...) (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —James Brown

(...) In general, I agree with you. However, Matthew used his website (in my opinion) as a tool to damage and disrupt the community. He crafted lies and misdirections, then posted something designed to stand out and direct traffic at his site. I (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

In lugnet.admin.general, James Brown writes: <snip> (...) Agreed. (...) Agreed. (...) Definitely Agree. (...) If it was posted here I would agree but I don't think it was. It may have been posted on his site or sent to Todd and then he admitted to (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) For what it's worth (not much) I'd wager I got you both beat on that issue. ;) (...) I've requested that all of my posts (well, not counting this one, I guess) on this topic be removed. I didn't add anything productive to this discussion, and (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —James Brown

(...) I can't recall where exactly he said it (in a couple places, I think), but Matthew admitted in a post on Lugnet that he faked the content on his website and made the inflamatory remarks that he did specifically to damage the Lego community. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Kingsley

(...) Well that definitely wasn't nice if thats how it happened. *But* how much damage do you think he could have done to us from his site? From a technical standpoint his site is nice but not something that is going to generate a ton of hits on its (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Ka-On Lee

(...) been (...) It was actually only one year ago. He remembered it wrong. (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —James Simpson

In lugnet.admin.general, Matthew Moulton writes: Ask yourselves this though, did you want me (...) You have a right to your opinions, be they harsh or not. You do have a responsibility, however (within this group at least), to state those opinions (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) You are correct, I should have stopped while I was ahead, instead I chose to "try and get back at people". That was mistake, one which I am sorry for making. -Matthew (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Jude Beaudin

(...) Matthew, I have to admit I was mad and hurt. You do not have much of my respect right now considering the manner in which you pulled your 'stunt'. As far as you being banned, I am glad Todd did it and I am glad he is giving you the chance to (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) As am I. (...) You had a right to have it. Your webpage is like your home, and when people visit it, it's no different from inviting people into your house. In your house you can express yourself the way you want, be who you are, if people (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Selçuk Göre

(...) <snip> (...) Sorry for being ignorant from time to time, but I'll ignore your well worded schweety talk. I have just a question, though. You already made your "point". You proved that we are a bunch of pathetic losers of an evil community, so (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) If I believed that, I wouldn't be here. However I don't, and that's why I'm here, and that's why I want to try and fix whatever dammage I did. If you were a "bunch of...blah...blah...community" then my attacks would not have affected anyone, (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Tim Courtney

"Matthew" <moulton@hscis.net> wrote in message news:39ef2b6f.137507...net.com... [snip] (...) While that is the truth, I think that there was way too much attacking on your part going on. Nevertheless, as you said, you were out to prove a point, and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 19:32:59 GMT, "Mike Stanley" <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote: Mike, when you talk about my webpage you are talking about my home. In my home I express myself the way I want. Granted I was wrong to try and advertise the opinions in (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Paul Baulch

Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) Oh, well done, Mike. Just slipped out, did it? Doesn't really cast a good light on your whole stance regarding Matthew's recent transgressions, now does it? Perhaps you should APOLOGISE TO MATTHEW RIGHT (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Mike Stanley

(...) Sorry, I'm in debate mode right now and that's not what we need. I just deleted a fairly lengthy response in which I defended my actions (namecalling in this case) as acceptable for various reasons, but I don't want to post that, because more (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Paul Baulch

Apology accepted, Mike. That's all I ever see is necessary. Cheers, Paul Mike Stanley wrote in message ... (...) (namecalling (...) on (...) he (...) caused (...) learned (...) it (...) the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —John Robert-Blaze Kanehl

(...) Well, theres a start. An apology is only part of the act of contrition... one must strive to be better. Regarding emotions...I generally have the emotional range of a turnip, but that does not mean I can be offensive, callous, insensitive, and (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

On Thu, 19 Oct 2000 20:45:05 GMT, "John Robert-Blaze Kanehl" <johnNYblaze44@webtv.net> wrote: Uh, rather than go through all this I'll discuss it in general. I feel you are comparing me to a "legend" more than anything. Yes, I am the Mad Hatter. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

In conclusion... (my stance hasn't changed) —John Robert-Blaze Kanehl

In lugnet.admin.general, John Robert-Blaze Kanehl writes: Todd, I respect that you have the final "judgement" in this case. I have accepted that from day one here on Lugnet, so be it. Discussion has gone on long enough, almost as long or longer than (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: In conclusion... (my stance hasn't changed) —Matthew Moulton

(...) If I didn't mean what I said I wouldn't even BE here. I know I screwed up, even more so than you can realize. If my apology wasn't heart felt then why am I here? You seem to think I'm some sort of evil person, that I have some alterior motive (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: In conclusion... (my stance hasn't changed) —James Simpson

In lugnet.admin.general, Matthew Moulton writes: By acting as a virtual punching (...) Matthew: Please give up the martyr routine. We are here because you have said some nasty things and violated the TOS. I feel just fine about myself today, thanks. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: In conclusion... (my stance hasn't changed) —Matthew Moulton

(...) I hope that's not how I'm being viewed. I made a stupid mistake, one that I'm not very proud of, I apologized for it, and more than that I hope to try and be a better person. There are some people who still genuinely hate me, that is their (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) Let's not forget this. John, thanks for drawing attention to this passage. --Todd (24 years ago, 22-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —James Brown

In lugnet.admin.general, Matthew Moulton writes: <snip> Well, it may make me sound like a jerk, but your apology rings false and I think you're lying. I don't believe a word of it. You obviously have a certain degree of skill at word craft, and at (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) Let's examine what I did wrong yesterday. I attacked Judes site, I promoted personal opinions on my website through this forum, I chose to actively defend my opinions by flaming. I did not set out to try and undermine the existence of Lugnet, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Ka-On Lee

(...) Remember all these? (URL) should had pick on me instead, but I don't have a page for you to pick on... ;) I have completely forgotten all that until the big bu-ha-ha shows up in the spotlight. (...) If you do that lying thing or the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) the Inet. I remember that I wanted so bad to be able contribute something. I wanted to be something really great, do great things, help out. So I came up with all these ideas that I wanted to do. And I jumped right into RTL and proposed my (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Christopher Lindsey

(...) I empathize with you completely. When I came to LUGNET in March I also had a lot of ideas that I was all excited about, and most of the time I was told that something was already in the works, there wasn't any interest, or whatever. I do think (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) Matt, You're going to take this as some kind of slam, or some kind of flame, but it's not intended as one, really. Try to keep that in mind as you read it. I've read pretty much every post resulting from your initial posts of a few days ago. I (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Joakim Olsson

Lorbaat wrote in message ... (...) it's (...) felt (...) two (...) LEGO (...) do we (...) can (...) As (...) people (...) exist. (...) and (...) never (...) (trust (...) people (...) the (...) full (...) of (...) find a (...) pain (...) internet. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Sheree Rosenkrantz

In lugnet.admin.general, Eric Joslin writes: <snip> (...) we (...) people (...) exist. (...) <snip> (...) Bravo Eric ! Matthew, you still want to CREATE this website or another or something else? Then do it. Do it for yourself. Do it because you are (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Todd Lehman

(...) The first way is closer to what happened. In November 1997, an announcement was made to RTL of this: (URL) and then construction began. There was some controversy and some disbelief but mostly it either got ignored or people said "good luck." (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Eric Joslin

(...) Ah. Well, my point stands (as does yours)- you weren't greeted with showers of roses and gold just because you stated your intentions for the site. You went ahead and built in anyway, and now you're King of the World (well, as soon as we bump (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) LEGO (...) do (...) he (...) Well, yes and no. :-) Todd's manifesto was so well written, so thoughtful, so detailed, and so ahead of its time that when *I* read it, I begged Todd to come to Cambridge Technology Partners (1) as a consultant for (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —John Matthews

Well said, Larry. Build On! John Matthews Larry Pieniazek <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G2rA03.5Gt@lugnet.com... (...) site, (...) about (...) what (...) although (...) about (...) announcement (...) mostly (...) fundamental (...) (...) (24 years ago, 21-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Dave Schuler

(...) Gee, Lar--why do I have the feeling that this isn't an entirely hypothetical example? 8^) Dave! (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) unprepared (...) Because it's not? I've already said elsewhere on LUGNET that I do this very thing. :-) Don't EVER be in front of me on an airplane blocking the aisle and not ready to go when the person in front of you moves, because I will (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: My Stance —Dave Schuler

In lugnet.off-topic.fun, Larry Pieniazek writes (...) Heh! I don't have much plane experience (just plane inexperienced, I guess), but my daily incarceration on the Light Rail Sardine Can seems analogous, and the perpetrators come in two general (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) Isn't that *twice* daily incarceration? Later this week I will be back to riding the London Underground Jubilee line two or more times a day, which was deliberately made smaller than older(?) tube trains. Ostensibly so that the tubes would be (...) (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Re: My Stance —Frank Filz

(...) Hey! Stay on topic for the group! (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

Jubilee (was Re: My Stance —Larry Pieniazek

(...) sort (...) Er, sorry about that. ++Lar (24 years ago, 23-Oct-00, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)

(canceled) —Mike Stanley

Re: My Stance —Matthew Moulton

(...) Much of the canceling was done by the AUKins and other groups who wanted to try and delete my net history. They would leave in only the parts they wanted. Although I think some of those may have been the cause of someone in the Lego community (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —James Brown

(...) Just want to quickly address this one point. A website is not private. It is not a home. I do not need an invitation to come in, I can get there through any one of a number of valid & common methods of using the internet. No one has to knock (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

Re: My Stance —Ka-On Lee

(...) Yes that kind of happened. But rememebr RTL was not the 'community'. It was a half abandoned group already. I was excited when I first saw your post since it is nice to have a alternate server. Well it turns out you were more into flaming than (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)