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Re: My Stance
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Date: 
Fri, 20 Oct 2000 18:44:11 GMT
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"Mike Stanley" <cjc@NOSPAMnewsguy.com> wrote in message
news:G2qJ13.95M@lugnet.com...
In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Arthur writes:
I'll give people the benifit of the doubt every day of the week, 24 hours • a
day. I may be a mug. I'm not the only one who thinks MM is just a poor • sap who
*perhaps* should get another chance in some sort of limited way.

You're one of the few, trust me.  And in this instance I'd say the • overly-nice
willingness of a few to make another misguided attempt to allow this • person
disrupt our community is FAR outweighed by the offense and outrage of the • many
who most certainly don't want daily reminders of the hatred and disrespect • he
has shown for our community and for James.

Almost nobody has touched on that issue since the original flamefest.  How • can
ANYONE trust even for a second anything this person has to say knowing • that he
not only left that hateful garbage on his site while posting his • "apology" -
after being called on it he CONTINUES to have it there and, in fact, has
attempted to mount a lame defense of it as being in "his house" and • therefore
ok?

I'm a bit unsure on the entire issue of reinstating Matthew after reading
the posts from both sides over the past 24 hours.  But let me take a little
bit of time to expound on my opinions with his disrespect towards James
Jessiman and others here;

I am outraged that anyone has the gall to post something to a group like
this.  His image 'James Jessiman is dead...DEAL WITH IT NOW' is the reason I
got started the other day in the flamewar against Matthew.  I also don't
believe that such an opinion should be advertised on his personal page when
he intends to use that page to display his work to this commuinty.

Its his right to hold such an opinion, no matter how disgusting it is, no
one can really say anything about it.

On the contrary, I believe if he truly desires to continue in this community
he should remove such references on his site, because they are extremely
offensive and the wound is still there from the other day.  I also believe
the other pages he has put up should be taken down in his spirit of
repentance - if it is sincere - in an effort to prove himself and to become
a positive contributor.

Honestly, I was hurt by some of his comments on his site - esp. in the made
up chat session.  I've addressed those issues with him over email, though I
chose not to address them in the flamefest the other day.  However, I feel
that he has done others a much greater disservice than he has done me - take
Kyle Keppler and Zlatko Unger for example.  He spent far more time ripping
apart Kyle than he did me for sure.  Kyle's also 4 years younger than I am
(which doesn't mean anything if you don't know that I'm only 18).  Both of
those guys are great and have a lot to offer here, and don't deserve that
treatment.

So the burden of proof IMO lies with Matthew - if he really does want to
become a positive contributor and he truly is sorry for his actions, he
should remove his disgusting drivel from his site.  I'm willing to give
Matthew a chance, provided he proves himself to us.

Yes sir, I am bitter.  I lack objectivity.  I've paid my dues and made a
contribution or two to this community - I'm allowed a little rage over • this
attack on our community and one of our most beloved members.  You bet I
am.

It may be allowed to you, but in my personal opinion I think its sad when
someone loses their clear-headed thinking over a bit of bitterness, and then
shoves it down the throats of those concerned with this issue.

I can say truthfully that I think this is a sad day in Lugnet, if not a sad
week.  And not just because of Matthew either.
--

Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com

http://www.ldraw.org - Centralized LDraw Resources
http://www.zacktron.com - Zacktron Alliance

ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: TimCourtne



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  Re: My Stance
 
(...) Why should he not express how he feels? If he leaves it there, and you don't like it, no one is forcing you to go to his site and look at it, or to say that it's right. Why should taking that off his site be a contingency of his being accepted (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)
  Re: My Stance
 
(...) Sorry Tim but I think you are wrong here. Do I think the graphic on Matthew's site is distasteful? Yes. Do I care about the other text there? Not really. We cannot make the content of someone's personal site a prerequisite for inclusion in the (...) (24 years ago, 20-Oct-00, to lugnet.admin.general)

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