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(...) And speaking of terror-inducing rhetoric, did anyone catch the great new pronouncement from none other than Dubya himself today that "Al-Qaeda will try to use weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. within the next two years." (I wonder, (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) (color doesn't matter) is a pretty universal UU symbol. This page: (URL) is a good place to start and exploration. (...) There is actually a pretty strong base, it's just that it's somewhat fluid. While UUism is talked about as a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Many people prefer to give charitable donations anonymously, and charitable donations are pretty much 'the right thing to do', aren't they? ;-) Cheers Richie Dulin (2 URLs) Port Brique Somewhere in the South Pacifique (2 URLs) Misérable (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Why not? Some people already consider clones to be blasphemy! Dave! (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In my slightly rural high school, Thanksgiving vacation included the following Monday. This was widely considered to be due to the fact that buck hunting season began on that day, so a great number of kids would skip school anyway. Your point (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) What I still don't get is that even *if* they find WoMD, as some here are banking on just so they can say "I told you so...", it still in no way justifies this war. Find Anthrax and (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Famine-struck N Koreans 'eating children' (URL) "Pieces of 'special' meat are displayed on straw mats for sale. People know where they came from, but they don't talk about it." Sad beyond words to encompass. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The practising Catholics were always easily identifiable come Ash Wednesday. You are not supposed to wash the ashes off your forehead (except as a byproduct of washing yourself in general) and I have never heard of a school forcing them to (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Who's Accountable? (URL) For example, look at the way the administration rhetorically linked Saddam to Sept. 11. As The Associated Press put it: "The implication from Bush on down was that Saddam supported Osama bin Laden's network. Iraq and the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's a brilliant idea. Instead of using nukes to deflect asteroids heading for Earth, find the biggest thwacking great asteroid you can find and deflect it straight at Mars and smash it to bits. Then wait for the remains to coaless, cool (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is an excellent idea for a clone MOC. Get to work! FTX killed my smiley face emoticon!!! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) I was trying to address this very issue, but I snipped it 'cause it wasn't sounding good at all. I was going to say that little Timmy drawing Rambo with a severed head in his hand as his (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is a minor problem here about clubs. My inclination is that clubs should be allowed so long as the school does not use religion to determine if the club is allowed (i.e. a religious club could be disallowed if it proposes some activity (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Absolutely! And if someone tries to prevent those people from praying, I'll be first in line to defend their right to pray as they choose. The right to worship is Constitutionally protected, even on school property (provided that it's not done (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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GRIN.... (...) This is off topic for .debate... it belongs in .geek! C'mon guys! Now if you want to debate whether melting Mars is a good idea or not, that's different. :-) Personally I'm not sure it's a good idea, or necessary. There's plenty of (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.geek)
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(...) Entering extrreme geek zone OK let's do the math every thing is metric radius of the earth = 6378137 meters figure the "core" is 1/4 radius out 1594534.25 volume of core 4/3 * PI * R-cubed = 16982051976875485000 = 1.7e10^19 M^3 Ignoring (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Where I agree about the 'separation of church and state' means that 'official school sanctioned religious prayer' is a no-no, people getting together and praying to their deity, unofficial like and not school supported at all is quite fine. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Blow the planet up, hope that gravity reforms enough material into Mars, and have the resultant material heat up from the process. That would be more practical than attempting to alter the orbit of Mars I would imagine. :-) If you had the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who knows? And who cares? I think the last elections already proved enough that it isn't what you stand for, but who you know (or your daddy knows) that will make you a winner. So, then ext elections will probably happen around the time that (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Whoa whoa whoa!!! You two faced so-'n-so!!!
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(...) LOL!!! Dave, you took the words right out of my mouth! But of course, Canada had ulterior motives "but it will take time to find them"... ;-) Terry (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is part of the constant attempt by a certain segment of society to institutionalize its religion (i.e. inflict it upon everyone as the state-sanctioned theology). The prevalent religion at my son's school is Buddhism - the same law that (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you are right there Richie, US and Australia and GB are like the three stooges... BTW, according to dubya, the "coalition" was counting about 45 countries, most of them being anonymous. Now, why would any country want to remain anonymous (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That sounds a lot like the premise of the recent movie The Core, but I saw a geophysicist on TV talking about it, and how he liked the fact that recent movies have been inspiring kids to get into science, but he said that in this case he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) From the article, I'm not 100% sure, but I interpret the issue to have occurred on the grounds of two public schools. Am I correct? If so, then here's my answer: It's not liberalism at all; it is an objective and correct reading of the First (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think so. Of course the real solution is to eliminate public schools. Private schools may do whatever they please in this aspect. (...) It depends. If it was in a position that didn't suggest the students should follow it, it would (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I saw a program the other day which said that the planet Mars lost most of it's atmosphere when it lost it's magnetic field. It said that the field deflected harmful solar winds preventing them scouring away the atmosphere, but it lost it's field (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space)
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(URL) which granite tablets inscribed with the 10 commandments were removed from school property. Is this separation or liberalism run amok? I dunno. If, say, I was a teacher at this school, and I had a card with the 10 commandments on my desk, is (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Go Poland!(1) They sent special ops dudes at the very least (from all reports, some very effective special ops, at that... there's a story behind how those forces came into being). 1 - I'm 1/2 Polish, my dad came to the US in 1949 (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just the U.S. and England!?!? Australia was on the ground there too! And fully (at a national government level, anyway) supportive. And yet you say "just the U.S. and England"! What next? The Three Stooges being just Larry and Curly? The Three (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bill Moyers' "Presidential" Address (URL) "the unholy alliance between government and wealth" and the compassionate conservative spin that tries to make "the rape of America sound like a consensual date," Moyers charged that "rightwing wrecking (...) (21 years ago, 9-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) All politicians are whores to a certain extent, Republicans to corporations, especially tobacco and guns; Democrats to lawyers, Hollywood, and the many environmental activist groups. (...) Or perhaps you are forgetting the corporate (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Why America is waking up to the truth about WMD (URL) Senior CIA officials have distanced themselves from Rumsfeld's claims that WMD posed an imminent threat. They say these claims are based on information passed directly to Rumsfeld's office by (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) First, that there is a coalition of any consequences is laughable. Really it's just the U.S. and England. For my part, I think Blair is being dictated to by the power brokers in his country -- things *might* have been far different if Gore had (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Either 9/11 was intentionally allowed to happen (doubtful) or the FBI once again dropped the ball on an important investigation. If a person or organization proves their gross incompetence (yet again) leading to massive loss of life, my first (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: A very frigid last name--was Re: So we're back to school yard politics...
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Psh, beginners. I'm 36, and I don't think there is a Stangl (with that exact spelling) in the world that I am NOT related to. Stangls are somewhat rare (and I'm sure some people in here think that's a GOOD thing ;-) (...) -- Tom Stangl ***(URL) (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Bush, a flawed evil genius?
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Perhaps my good friends here on OTD, who are against the war can help enlighten my understanding, because I get a bit confused sometimes. From several of your posts I have pieced together what I think you have been trying to tell me. Bush was able (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Some Analysts of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ Use (URL) and British intelligence analysts with direct access to the evidence are disputing claims that the mysterious trailers found in Iraq were for making deadly germs. In interviews over the last week, (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Whoa whoa whoa!!! You two faced so-'n-so!!!
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(...) Gas masks is standard field equipment for soldiers. The presence of gas masks on soldiers, does not necessarily mean that they handle chemical or biological weapons. Fredrik (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We sold them the goods. The goods have a shelf life. What weapons remained and were discovered were certainly no threat to the U.S. (...) Why should I have to repeat discussions that took place here a mere two months back? Do your own (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would never justify SH's actions on anything. He is a tyrant and a despot. But I also, at htis particular time, cannot justify, nor can *anyone else* for that matter, the reason for the US incursion into Iraq. You can't justify it. Not by a (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the answer is painfully obvious. No country, esp. now that the preemptive nuclear bar has been raised -- but not even then when the means to enforce sovereignty might be at stake, can afford to allow other countries to believe they are (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, really? Then why was the UN sending weapons inspectors into Iraq in the first place? Not much of a memory, Mr Marchetti. They went to verify that weapons were destroyed, not to verify whether they existed or not. (...) Who is "we"? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Costello wrote: Here is the key difference, Blix was not sent in to find WMD's, he was sent in (...) And what the heck was the deal with all of the gas masks everywhere??? The argument that the WMD never existed (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here is the key difference, Blix was not sent in to find WMD's, he was sent in to verify Iraq's declaration of the status of their WMD program. We mistakenly called his team "inspectors" when they should have been called "verifiers". In spite (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Blood in the Water
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Because of the views of some here, I offer a more Republican take on the current scandal... Warner Seeks Release of Pentagon Iraq Weapons Report (Update1) (URL) June 6 (Bloomberg) -- U.S. Senator John Warner, chairman of the Armed Services (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not much of a memory, have you Mr. Neal? Many here doubted the WMD evidence from the first. We all laughed at Colon Powell's poor performance before the U.N. (there are even sources that claim he was angry at the doctored evidence he was (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) He did have them in the eighties. We did not know if he had them now. Those things, once used, don't grow in trees... (...) Perhaps the weapons inspectors were too keen on following misleading intelligence work provided by the allies, rather (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, that's one way of looking at it. THen there's that truth, which is entirely a different matter-- "We have to go to war *now* because SH is a clear and imminent threat to the USofA." And, if I do recall, that the idea that Saddam had WMD (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Of course, I think my dad might have you beat (since he hasn't met the Filz I met). Of course there may also be a connection, so it may be hard to know if I should really stop counting... Frank (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look, before the war there wasn't ANYBODY who doubted that SH had WMD. It was a given; period. There is documented proof that he used them on the Kurds and killed them by the 100,000s for crying out loud! So all of this "where are the WMD" is (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, you know that "moron" is all that Canadians know.... 'Cause A****** isn't a nice thing to say. Dave K (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You keep saying that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. JOHN (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) haven't found Saddam Hussein, and I don't know anyone who's running around saying he didn't exist," Rumsfeld told reporters Thursday, following a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill. " That's so true, Rummy! Since there *was* a Saddam, there (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Whoa whoa whoa!!! You two faced so-'n-so!!!
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(URL) President George W Bush on Thursday said it would take time to find Iraq's chemical and biological weapons, but he promised to "reveal the truth" about them. " Holy bold faced idiocy, Batman! "To the UN" says Mr. Blix before Feb, "Searching (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: John Dean on "Missing Weapons Of Mass Destruction"
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(...) Oh but there's so much 'wiggle-room'. "Hey, we found these mobile lab trucks that were used to make WoMD--there's your proof! I didn't lie!" says Dubya. And of course, there's probably in the very near future "Oh look here under this rock that (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Missing Weapons Of Mass Destruction: Is Lying About The Reason For War An Impeachable Offense? (URL) To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, I can't stop setting a new record every day until I actually find someone named Schlickbernd not related to me (and yes, the two black women named Schlickbernd are related). :-P -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: A very frigid last name--was Re: So we're back to school yard politics...
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(...) No, you can't beat the record until you actually find someone not related to you! :-) :-) :-) Frank (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | We needn't have worried! (Re: Should we be concerned?)
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(...) All of my moral panic appears to have been for naught, since the media conglomerates have obviously been looking out for the public interest all along: (URL) This seems oddly reminiscent of the closed-door energy policy meetings held by the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I rather thought she was spoofing the one with the other. If she was being serious, then she was just as moronic as Bush. Well, maybe not quite as moronic since Bush could put the drug terrorists out of business with a stroke of the pen (the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Forgot to mention that this particular campaign is not really an example of deceptive LIBERAL spin, but rather of deceptive spin by the various "we know better" nanny state forces of whatever stripe, Those nefarious forces are to be found in (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, it's right up there with "if you smoke pot, you are supporting a terrorist"... which the LP debunked a while back. (URL) (1) (...) Why? "Green Acres, that's the place to be.... Faaaaaarm living, that's the life for me!" (2) Besides, I (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but at least at that level it's "free." In fairness, I think the animatrix is, in part or in whole, available somewhere online as quicktime movies. I think they're all supposed to be released free online eventually, even if not all at (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No, I didnt expect it to be deep or philosophical, but neither did I expect to check my watch during the ubiquitous 20 minute car chase. A car chase? It was like they were not even trying. Because I had heard that the bros W had maintained (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I wasn't a huge fan of Arianna when she was conservative, and I like her less since her transition. I found her whole "If you drive an SUV you are supporting a terrorist" to be one of the worst cases of deceptive liberal spin. And she sounds (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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The preceeding post was made in the good faith belief that it was a press release and therefore intended for dissemination. The original link I had for this article is here: (URL) and you will note that it is preceeded by the words: FOR IMMEDIATE (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It should be noted that Arianna's ex ran for Senator on the Republican side with her full support, and that Arianna's column was stock non-thinking right wing at that time (there were far better conservative voices than her). She's much more (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This guy is on the right track, he just misses the correct conclusion. Yes the best way to shrink this hulking giant of a government is to starve it via tax cuts. Problem is congressmen on both sides of the aisle are scared to make the large (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Global Exchange * CorpWatch * Public Citizen June 5, 2003 New Report Exposes Contractor Bechtel as Threat to Iraqi Environment, Human Rights and Basic Services U.S. Taxpayers Blindly Funding Post-War Corporate Profiteering and Cronyism, Public (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Bush's reckless economics By Robert Kuttner, 6/4/2003 (URL) IT'S EASY to understand why the administration is plowing ahead with one immense tax cut after another. The Bush people oppose social outlays, and the best strategy for cutting public (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Evidence, Mr. President Kucinich Leads 30 Members of Congress In Introducing A Resolution of Inquiry To Force Administration To Turn Over Intelligence On Iraq’s Weapons Of Mass Destruction (URL) is long past time that the President and this (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: A very frigid last name--was Re: So we're back to school yard politics...
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(...) I've never met someone with my last name who isn't related to me - in fact, my understanding is that absolutely everyone with my last name is related to me. Do I have to admit that I have the 40 years beat, too? ;-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hah, I got you beat! It wasn't until my 40's (all of a month or two ago) that I met someone with my last name that I'm not directly related to... Frank (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) will not likely be interested and will instead probably decry the site as more liberal kvetching[1]. Dave! [1] Standard Conservative Rhetorical Tactic #5: If your opponent criticizes your viewpoint, agenda, or ideology, engage in an all-out ad (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Reagan obviously did a lot of work in those first few minutes in office to effect the release of those hostages. Now time for a nap... (...) I'm not sure I would agree with this. 9/11 gave Bush an extended honeymoon where he could do no wrong. (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's Dutch, and not all that common. It wasn't until I was into my 20's until I met other folks with my last name that I wasn't related to. Here's a pickup line-- A woman I just introduced to--I was 22ish and she was around 20ish-- "Hey Dave, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Eeek! Holy Sequel-itous, Batman! What were you thinking? That "The Matrix Reloaded" (a.k.a "The Superman Thing") was going to be deep and philosophical, or the fight scenes interesting? The problem of the first film is its actual success. In (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I kept wanting to put an R in there for some reason, it just kept looking like cordory to me. Thank you for the pronunciation, outside your family is this a common name? I've never heard it before. Scott Costello Not related to Frank, Elvis, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Yeah, I haven't seen the damned thing yet, and I'm not likely to, the way it sounds. The first one was actually artistic, despite ripping off virtually every cyberpunk work of the last fifteen years. If you want more, I'd recommend a copy of the (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I hope its ok to get off of politics for just a moment. I know I'm probably in the minority here, but did anyone else think that Matrix2 was a big dissapointment? I know better than to expect much from sequels, but I admit to holding out hope on (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No age discrimination, please. I am still never going to kick Helen Mirren out of bed given the opportunity. I don't care how old she is -- she's sexy, sophisticated, smart, and obviously knows what she is doing. Bring it, Helen!!! In the end, (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You recall incorrectly. They were returned on Reagan's watch and there was lose of life in a botched rescue attempt. (...) Seem fine to me. (...) If you want to talk about bum raps events, I would say that GWB got the granddaddy of them all on (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And yet he got all the hostages back whilst sticking to his 'Christian convictions' and, iirc, not firing one shot or a loss oof a life. How's Dubya's Christian convictions doing? I think Carter got a bum rap due to the events of the world--as (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which only goes to prove something: Carter had morals and convictions, but he was no great shakes as president. He got voted in by the religious "born again" faction, and he got voted out by the religious "born again" faction. I like him now (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree that the two situations are very different, but I would classify your unwillingness to equate the two as leftist spin. Both men were caught in large lies. Nixon was lying directly to the American people, and had he not resigned (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I actually agree, Carter was a very respectable, honest, moral and good hearted man, he just wasn't a very effective leader. His economic plans were horrible, and his forien policy was even worse. That said, Carter is possibly the greatest (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I doubt very seriously that the Powers That Be really would have sat on their hands if they knew 3,000 people would die. My point is that they had all the clues and they should have had a better grip on what was about to happen than they did. (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm personally partial to PMOY 1999, and, of course, Miss June 2003... Both for differnt reasons... Dave K (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I made it thru school totally unscathed... Every teacher in grade school knew how to pronounce the last name 'cause I have 30ish cousins older than me and we all grew up in the same small town... So the regular teachers were fine--it was (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, but he told Playboy that he had sinned in his heart. I even think I have that copy of Playboy. But, you cannot really blame people for being human beings -- and human beings tend to be serial monogomists at best. At worse, we all of us (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always affectionately think of you as "cooties" with a K, as I think you know... =) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Exactly. This "with us, or against us" stuff is crazy. Why can't a person be wholly patriotic and still want a moment to figure out what might be the truly correct response to a crisis? (...) This is why I harp on people's apparent partisan (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. If anyone cares to track it back, I posted about this some weeks ago -- esp. the offshore corporation scam. I repeat, corporations are granted special benefits as fictitious persons because they are supposed to provide a public good in (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dubya had a great deal of, well, hatred's not a word that I'd use, but some sort of ridicule from the Left... I think it might be much like the past few elections--b/w Bubba and Bob Dole... By the way, for the record, I would have really liked (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The jury's still out, isn't it? I mean, we're still in the midst of the detentions and profiling, so we can hardly judge Dubya's policies as if they've run their full course. In addition, Dubya's internment of Arabs is worsened because he (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which this editorial goes on about... " The failure of the Bush team to produce any weapons of mass destruction (W.M.D.'s) in Iraq is becoming a big, big story. But is it the real story we should be concerned with? No. It was the wrong issue (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I sure am, just not this one, I don't think she would ever win, she inspires a great deal of hatred from many on the right. I do find it interesting that she is writing about the affairs, I guarantee it will sell more books, we humans are such (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, and love of soft living and the get-rich-quick theory of life." - Theodore Roosevelt. The consolidation of power that (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) think I'll buy the book... But President Hillary in 2008? Are you guys down there ready for a woman president? Dave K (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's very nearly a 100% apocryphal statistic. Here's one addressing of the issue: (URL) but there countless others on the web and in print media that draw pretty much the same conclusion. I'm not worried about my Canadian friends who (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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