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(...) So you deny that SH supported terrorists? How about the little stipend he offered families to have them sacrifice their children as human incendiary devices? (...) "How many things need to stack up before we throw this jerk out?" Thanks for (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I think the English know something about where arrogance will get you. Zulu wars, US revolution, Barbarian hordes to the north (Scottish). Something like that. I think we've got to learn yet. Mark (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Uh-huh. You have a link for that, John? I thought not...There is no proof to support any such allegations. That lack of proof is the very issue under discussion. The president spoke in terms of dead certainties and has come up empty-handed. (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I believe that the perceived threat was never from the Iraqi military itself, but from the proliferation of WMD from SH's regime to terrorist elements such as Al Qaeda. JOHN (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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White House 'lied about Saddam threat' (URL) A former US intelligence official who served under the Bush administration in the build-up to the Iraq war accused the White House yesterday of lying about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. The claims (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) There is common ground between you and I, Richard. I believe that doing the right thing is what matters. And there were naysayers that said that we'd never find anything to agree on. (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Let's be clear that this is the backpedaling from the original backpedaling. We shall therefore see an infinite line of small retreats without anyone in the White House daring to admit that they were wrong to do anything anyway. Smoke and mirrors. (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) House: Uranium claim incorrect " " WASHINGTON (AP) -- Amid questions about prewar intelligence, the White House is acknowledging that President Bush was incorrect when he said in his State of the Union address that Iraq recently had sought (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for the info, I greatly appreciate it. (...) Hence my doubt regading this one: colony refers to settlement, or pure governance? I'll go with the first, in order to restrict the options. (...) You said nothing about independant nations (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote: <snip some good stuff that I didn't know--good geography and history lesson there> (...) Well isn't that the American Dream--get rich quick? Everything is a lawsuit these days--how much is a life (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Funny you should mention one of the biggest 'reactionary measures' your country ever had as your example. WWII was going on well before Dec 1941, and yet the bombing of Pearl Harbour is the day that will 'live in infamy'. Not the (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Laswell wrote: -snip- (...) -snip- Um... Torres Strait Islanders being denied Australian Citizenship? I don't think that is the case... or are you meaning those from the coastal area of PNG (who are not Australian (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hawaii was a US territory during WWII, just like Puerto Rico is now. Unlike Puerto Rico, Hawaii had been seeking to become a State back in 1903, with Congress finally giving full consideration to the issue in the 1930's, well before WWII (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm being preciosist here, but what exactly was the status of Hawaii in 1941? AFAIK it only became a state in 1959, and until the late 1800's it was a kingdom. Honest, I got curious when I read this! :-) (...) You may be wrong. The Republic of (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No it wouldn't. The US government, and all lesser related governments (states, counties, cities, townships, etc.) are restricted from making laws that prohibit free speech on public property. No such restrictions are made for private/corporate (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The first important question is whether or not the VHS tape you bid for on eBay was a legal copy of that work. If it wasn't, it doesn't matter how much you paid for it, or even if you received it. You don't legally own a copy of that work. (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Mr. King?!?!? What the... Surely the Canadian education system has tought you the difference between Martin Luther (founder of the Lutheran Church in Europe) and Martin Luther King Jr. (assassinated leader of peaceful Black Rights movement in (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hm, yeah, like freedom? Gosh-darn those silly Yanks and their ill-conceived idea that the world should be free of oppression... (...) There are times when being "reactionary" is the only way to prevent great evil. Think how much bloodshed and (...) (21 years ago, 5-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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THE BILL OF RIGHTS The Conventions of a number of the States having, at the time of adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Action of Second Continental Congress, July 4, 1776 The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen United States of America WHEN in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them (...) (21 years ago, 4-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I got this from a list I'm on... go to google.com and type in "Weapons of Mass Destruction" as your search string and then hit "I'm feeling lucky". Supposedly it should bring you to this site: (URL) I found pretty funny. YMMV. (21 years ago, 3-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HHDAGy.1AIJ@lugnet.com... (...) purposes. (...) music (...) that (...) growing (...) so it (...) According (...) file (...) could (...) then (...) I don't see what difference that will (...) (21 years ago, 2-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Leech!!! Blubster 2.5 Promises User Anonymity (URL) There has been growing interest in protecting user identities since the US music industry said they would start suing some of the 60 million American's that share music online. Today Blubster (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I have no desire for your shirts, laundered or not, I have enough shirts in bad taste as it is. What was your point again? I don't recall denying where you were or weren't. What I was denying is the possibility that a US government source is (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Only mostly concur. Better pay? Better amelioration to families if someone dies in the line of duty? You bet. Not a hesitation in the world. If we want the best armed forces in the world, we need to pay what they are worth and then some. Pride (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Any place you can golf all winter long doesn't have one. Now, if we were talking home, then yep, I can understand the reluctance. Even when there isn't 6' of snow in Jan, the -20C days are a tad chilly. But, the climate here is atually quite (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I didn't think that I would get into an arguing match to try and prove that I spent last summer in the (rather warm) gulf. How do you want me to do so? I have the plane stubs from my flight home, my paystubs, and my wild wadi shirt as proof... (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this a conspiracy theory, Lar? =) -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, why not. But the system is rigged and has been for some time. (...) Hardly. Most government sources are extremely biased. (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I could have sworn that I wrote "winter" and not "snow". I could have sworn that I wrote it in CAPITALS and bold-faced it, too. It's snows every winter in Southern California, I assure you. :-) -->Bruce<-- (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Love Question Period (at times) No politician can hide behind the position at all--even the PM. Lets see Dubya make it thur an open question period. That'd be the day--not only is he a moron, he's a spineless moron who doesn't face the harsh (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is apparent that you have never considered Victoria, BC. :) We rarely get snow, and you would only have to compete with ~5 of us lugnetters for the specials at TRU. James P (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I _am_ assuming you voted last time around Lar? It is a fault of all democratic systems that there will be those minority (up to 50%-1) that are not happy with their system of representation. There are a wide varity of systems of (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote (...) ROFL! Ever watch the parliamentary debates on TV? Its like a zoo. Everyone is jumping around yelling, with the PM having to shout rebuttals over the general mayhem. Its better than so called (...) (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oh, and where did Dave say it was perfect? I do believe he said that we seem to be a better nation (not the best, but better). We don't have a perfect system. You don't have a perfect system. Perhaps we had all better get used to that... James (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Completely concur. Dave K (21 years ago, 1-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Editorial: Nothing but lip service (URL) In recent months, President Bush and the Republican-controlled Congress have missed no opportunity to heap richly deserved praise on the military. But talk is cheap - and getting cheaper by the day, judging (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Where are these good people that you speak of? Lynching gays in the midwest? Bashing heads belonging to dissenters in with baseball bats? Sitting in the White House committing atrocity after atrocity in the name of democracy and capitalism? (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Newsbit: "Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq"
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(...) And one more article from DU this week: (URL) " And let's not even get into the Weapons of Mass Deception, but let me add that we gave UN inspectors about 3 months to find them, so I hope that by mid-July that The State finds them, cause (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That debating is a waste of time I think goes without saying. But what research are talking about? There's no truth out there -- just competing approximations and opinions. I accept that the news as reported can be a kind of "truth," once (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Newsbit: "Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq"
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Ten Appalling Lies We Were Told About Iraq (URL) edit: you might as well skip the first two paragraphs after the initial quote -- I would have taken them out if it were my article. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You expected me to let you off the hook with this one? (...) Well, Larry, Not so much. I could go off and say that my supposed thinly veiled 'Canadianism' is in direct response to the demonstrable "Americanism", but I won't. You could insert a (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I figured you'd go off on the tangent about who's number one again... and I was right. Address my point and spare us all the chest thumping about how great Canada is (said thumping thinly disguised as a fine puree of denial about what you're (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somehow I doubt that your version of 'what would have happened' in lieu of the 'revolutionary war' is quite the same idea as my version would be. That said, who knows what would have happened if you didn't have your little tea party, and the (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, we were running things the way we wanted to and the Brits reacted to that. Too radical for them. (...) Depends on whether we gun-mad 'Mericans start shipping guns to the Quebec separatists. ;-) (...) Hey, I'd love to live in Canada (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) We have the spectacle of Ashcroft and his ilk busily disassembling our freedoms, with a rigged election system in place to ensure that it is very unlikely that any non Demopublican will get elected in time to stop it, and you want us to give (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: For Larry and other Libertarians
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(...) So in other words you agree that the posited free rider problem is just a red herring, then? I don't need to provide this cite for you to debunk it, then, but I will toss it in anyway: (URL) The whole rest of the article is riddled with (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) But how do you get around the idea that corporations *do* follow the bottom line. I mean, it's inherently what they do. And if the environment gets screwed in the process, that's their (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nice in the sense that it's full of straw dogs like this one: "The only way for the Randvillians to deal with the free riders is to coerce labor on the levees, or assess taxes in lieu of labor. " \ Why don't you, as a thought experiment, see (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Though, to be said, Larry has mentioned (iirc) that he's a small 'l' libertarian... (URL) conservatives contend that virtually all economic and social institutions are better managed when privatized and unregulated. According to this libertarian (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) that America - Ashcroft's America - is where we now live. We have plunged headlong into the past. America cringes under the shadow of a militant Homeland Security Act - a ghostly doppleganger of Adolph Hitler's 1933 "Enabling Act," which, to (...) (21 years ago, 30-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HH43D4.C71@lugnet.com... (...) infringing (...) because I (...) could be (...) right? (...) I just put two things together: Kazaa was sued by the RIAA and found to be not liable for the (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The market should decide. And the market can and *will* reach the right decision. Just make sure that ALL costs are visible and are charged to the parties that should be incurring the costs. Which is the point of the article and of the book. (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I like the bit where gov't agencies change their mind when it's them that's losing the money. As per usual, money talks. I'm all for capitalistic endeavours, but there has to be a line, and who's going to decide where that line is? THe line (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As of posting the link refers to the June 17th 2003 (released after 18th) article. (URL) Petrucelli (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How grotesque. The nightmare of the Anti-Federalists come to life: that which is not stated explicitly is therefore not a right. Ergo, the 9th Amendment is not worth even the words with which it is stated. Scalia used to impress me with his (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Yaay. Perhaps one of the best rulings so far this term (I was somewhat unimpressed with the U of M law school ruling). (URL) gets it: 'The case does involve two adults who, with full and mutual consent from each other, engaged in sexual practices (...) (21 years ago, 27-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Q&A: Will I be sued for music-swapping? (URL) Yikes! That article seems full of misleading and possibly false information. Now, I'm not the expert on these cases but it is my understanding that the student that was sued was actually running only a (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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(...) It was either getting all the formatting right so that my reply looked reasonably good, or just convert it to Plain... Lessee here... FTX away-- (2 URLs) Sparky's Space--Where Sparky has his Space... Oops, now it's almost on-topic! ;) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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Dude: You're killing my gorgeous FTX design scheme with your psycho plain text!!! -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip the rest which is great stuff> (...) Gee, if you're Canadian, at least medical comes with the citizenship--you *always* have 1 on the list(not that I'm singing the greatness of Canada--the (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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(...) Wal-Mart Wars (URL) WOULD YOU LIKE a Wal-Mart "supercenter" store to move into your community? Think of the low prices and the convenience of one-stop shopping! You just park once and get whatever you need -- groceries, drugs, plants, toys, (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Shhh -- don't ask, don't tell. This is not america. -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What's your evidence that either suspicion is justified? Good minds and serious money have been thrown at both issues and we've come up with basically zero. Certainly nothing public, and I can't see why they'd hide it at this point seeing as (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Opposing view editorial in today's USA Today (or "Mc Paper" as I prefer to call it, the WSJ was late getting to the hotel today): (URL) from Cato on this topic: (URL) reiterate my position: - This was a war we should not have sought, should not have (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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From the Associated Press: (URL) have to fix wrapping, sorry) Apparently civilian lawyers are not falling all over themselves to give probono (the government isn't paying for lawyers, these are after all not US citizens we're talking about here) (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | BBC Three's "Bush Family Fortunes: The Third Degree"
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Has anyone seen this and care to comment? -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) I am not nostalgic in the least -- I calls them as I sees them. Mom and Pop may have been inefficient, but so ultimately is ANY "bricks 'n' mortar" location except as a distribution center. For many things it is becoming increasingly clearer (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Newsbits: Distortion of evidence, Faith Bias (as if we didn't know)
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Chief U.N. inspectors criticizes U.S. for insisting Iraq has weapons (URL) "It is sort of puzzling I think that you can have 100 per cent certainty about the weapons of mass destruction's existence, and zero certainty about where they are," he said. (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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"John" <John@TCLTC.org> wrote in message news:HGzuzJ.EE9@lugnet.com... (...) the (...) really (...) mind is (...) them. (...) unscrupulous (...) the (...) government. (...) That's another reason why I pushed for a completely free system. If there's (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) If you play Monopoly, and your buddy buys up all the properties (including the Railroads), what happens? You end up paying for everything. Now take that to the real world (and many people can see where this is going already--rocket scientists (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Do you have a cite for that? Quantity of patents is not necessarily a metric for quality of scientific innovation. I would say rather that a lot of important advancements and developments (things like the Palm) are made by people who leave (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Sorry I misread then--on this above point I'll completely agree. I saw Wendy Woo in a pub in Denver last Christmas and I bought a few of her CD's and they're extraordinary. Much talent (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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(...) Disagree. They compete with each other (Although I do recognize that there are some industries that need to be regulated for the common good). (...) You are being nostalgic. Mom and Pop were inefficient. Walmart brought more variety, more (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: <snip> (...) K, not the best example ever, but didn't the entertainment industry go on about 'v-chips' and warning labels on music? Of course they did it so that they wouldn't be 'regulated' into it by (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not by me... I think they are both good ideas. I just don't know if it or they will fly in the current environment with the BigCorps having their strangleholds on things. We need systemic change to restore the Free Market back to what it once (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) what's up with Canada? First it refuses to support the Bush Administration's little rape-and-pillage adventure in Iraq – which is more than we can say for Democrats in Washington – and now it has legalized civil unions among gays and lesbians. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Dude, that is 20/20 hindsight. What about paying Arnold 20 mil when the film grosses $200 mil? (...) Ahhh, at what point is that? Government intervention? Think it through. (...) I realize that, Dave, but how else can anything get (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, it was just an idea along the lines of a 'universal library of stuff' that could be checked out that this thread was going on about. So the ideas about paying the recording artists directly from funds fm the checkouts from this library (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good. Start a studio, then, and use that funding model. I think you're a sure fire bet to draw lots of big name stars, and more importantly, the smaller named crafts people who do most of the work, because they'll get a better shake. (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think I mentioned the gov't takig over the entertainment industry--I was talking about people getting paid what they're worth, or what their product is worth. Paying Arnold 20 mil to star in a movie that makes 15 mil in total isn't the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The free market only works between natural persons, once you allow fictitious persons (i.e. deathless corporations) into the marketplace you have killed freedom of trade and replaced it with the heavy gravity of monopolistic leviathans with (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Here is a great example of some profound fundamental differences between the Right and Left. Anytime you talk of "implementing" something, what you really mean is for the government to take it over and control it. That in my mind is not the (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The problem with that is the "creative" accounting the studios use to show that movies don't actually make money. Spider-Man grossed over $400 million and yet the studio told Stan Lee that it barely broke even. (URL) Many things have to (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, elsewhere in this thread I mentioned the same thing. If one considers the elmination of the middlemen publishers/distributors then the creator reaps the ENTIRE reward of what is being offered by the Library. Let's say an artist creates a (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I would like to see a revolution in the entire entertainment field based on something like this. Instead of paying an actor 20 mil to make a picture, pay the actor(s) based on the revenue that the motion picture makes (a la Nicolson in (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, there's even more to it than that. Whether retail outlet or library, real world buildings as stores of information provide jobs for a whole plethora of other people: salesclerks, maintenance persons, cashiers, librarians, contractors, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:HGvwK1.wIv@lugnet.com... (...) library (...) media to (...) charge (...) licensed (...) case. (...) were (...) and into (...) not (...) could (...) user) (...) works (...) would (...) (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do IP rights have to be bought the way they are now? The reason this library idea is very cool is because it follows the law of today, yet gets more media to more people...right? Why not just set up this giant media database but charge (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No argument there, it was just an example of wealth from someone whose supposed career is making music. Her real career is more truthfully hypnotizing youth culture with her boobs so that they buy into a fake Barbie & Ken music fantasy of (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HGuL5F.1xox@lugnet.com... (...) defeat fair (...) there is (...) I say DRM is bad because I just can't imagine a form of DRM that doesn't expand outwards away from the purposes outlined (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Tom: I found much of your post deeply interesting and thought provoking. Your idea of the giant archive/database is truly compelling and shows the enormous flaw in the many schemes that publishers are pursuing. Sure, the publishers are pursuing the (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmmmm, is it morbid just to like a big kaboom? I like the kaboom of fireworks. Admittedly, .22 are a simple crack, a 9mil is more of a bang, and you have to get into something bigger than that to even rate a boom much less a kaboom! But yes, (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Why would we say that? At least a few, if not many, US states have SHALL issue laws for CCW permits. Including my new home state, FL. File for a permit, pass a test, and they can't deny you the permit if you are not a felon or mentally unbalanced. (...) (21 years ago, 21-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I have read the ToS, twice, and I am sure it is not a violation. And I was sure the point of the internet was to connect all web pages anywhere in the world, and not to discourage doing so. (...) Freedom of speech. (...) What do I do? Go (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know what, I am sorry about what I wrote. I was just really angry at the time, and I would usually never write it in a Lugnet post, or anywhere for that matter. (...) Before or after the Yahoo takeover? I've heard Geocities went downhill (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was listening to the DJ on Q107 this morning... He was joking around and told a few 'newfie' jokes. Then a song, then he comes back laughing... "Just got an e-mail from someone who didn't want his name mentioned. The e-mail goes on to say (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"David Koudys" <dkoudys@redeemer.on.ca> wrote in message news:HGs841.9Fu@lugnet.com... (...) having (...) to do (...) part (...) web (...) LOL... "you suggest I look at something else..." Well, yeah!!! ;) Nah, see the real problem is that I didn't (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:HGsF9B.1CsM@lugnet.com... (...) nightmare of (...) you (...) some (...) Icann (...) No they certainly are not clean uninstalls! I never could get rid of the browser bar. Every time I (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott Costello" <scottcos@spamfree.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:HGsJD5.1yGJ@lugnet.com... (...) what (...) You know, that's an interesting point. I should look at the Mac installation instructions more often for things like that... It's kind (...) (21 years ago, 20-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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