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Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:22:17 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Here is a great example of some profound fundamental differences between the
Right and Left....Let the free market work out that stuff. Now, if you are
afraid of unscrupulous entreprenuers screwing the little guy, than I’ll
gladly agree and take the discussion to the topic of morality and ethics
which is really the crux of the issue.
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The free market only works between natural persons, once you allow fictitious
persons (i.e. deathless corporations) into the marketplace you have killed
freedom of trade and replaced it with the heavy gravity of monopolistic
leviathans with which almost no one can compete.
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Disagree. They compete with each other (Although I do recognize that there are
some industries that need to be regulated for the common good).
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Natural persons and laws
begin to orbit the various corporations because money attracts money,
everyone wants in on the action. Look around you, the death of Mom and Pop
stores and the rise of the likes of Walmart is proof of my statement.
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You are being nostalgic. Mom and Pop were inefficient. Walmart brought more
variety, more jobs, cheaper prices. Mom and Pop can survive by marketing
their “nostalgia”, catering to folks like you who would be willing to put up
with higher prices and worse selection to avoid patronizing large
corporations...
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This is
a problem the right has never addressed except to lamely suggest that what is
good for the many corporations is also good for you (which I am positive is
false!).
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I disagree. Most important advances in science, computers, and technology are
being made by large corporations. They are engine of advancement, which does
elevate the standard of living for everyone.
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I’m not worried about morality and ethics, just basic fairness. You’ve set up
a straw man and ignored the real issue, John -- as usual. There is more to
economics and politics than is dreamt of in your philosophy.
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What is “fair”?
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BTW, my conception of the Great Archive is a cooperative venture that may or
may not have to do with govt. involvement -- really I imagined it would take
a supra-national form in any case. The concept was one of the commons, which
does not belong to any govt. -- it belongs to everyone together.
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I think that is your governmental view as well-- one world, one government.
That is anti-American. But correct me if I’m wrong in that assumption.
JOHN
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Message has 4 Replies:
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| (...) Do you have a cite for that? Quantity of patents is not necessarily a metric for quality of scientific innovation. I would say rather that a lot of important advancements and developments (things like the Palm) are made by people who leave (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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| (...) If you play Monopoly, and your buddy buys up all the properties (including the Railroads), what happens? You end up paying for everything. Now take that to the real world (and many people can see where this is going already--rocket scientists (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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| (...) I am not nostalgic in the least -- I calls them as I sees them. Mom and Pop may have been inefficient, but so ultimately is ANY "bricks 'n' mortar" location except as a distribution center. For many things it is becoming increasingly clearer (...) (21 years ago, 25-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
| | | The Hidden Costs (was Re: It's All About Control)
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| (...) Wal-Mart Wars (URL) WOULD YOU LIKE a Wal-Mart "supercenter" store to move into your community? Think of the low prices and the convenience of one-stop shopping! You just park once and get whatever you need -- groceries, drugs, plants, toys, (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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| (...) The free market only works between natural persons, once you allow fictitious persons (i.e. deathless corporations) into the marketplace you have killed freedom of trade and replaced it with the heavy gravity of monopolistic leviathans with (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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