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Re: It's All About Control (was: Re: Possession)
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Tue, 24 Jun 2003 19:39:22 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote:
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Here is a great example of some profound fundamental differences between
the Right and Left....Let the free market work out that stuff. Now, if you
are afraid of unscrupulous entreprenuers screwing the little guy, than I’ll
gladly agree and take the discussion to the topic of morality and ethics
which is really the crux of the issue.
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The free market only works between natural persons, once you allow
fictitious persons (i.e. deathless corporations) into the marketplace you
have killed freedom of trade and replaced it with the heavy gravity of
monopolistic leviathans with which almost no one can compete.
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Disagree. They compete with each other (Although I do recognize that there
are some industries that need to be regulated for the common good).
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Natural persons and laws
begin to orbit the various corporations because money attracts money,
everyone wants in on the action. Look around you, the death of Mom and Pop
stores and the rise of the likes of Walmart is proof of my statement.
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You are being nostalgic. Mom and Pop were inefficient. Walmart brought more
variety, more jobs, cheaper prices. Mom and Pop can survive by marketing
their “nostalgia”, catering to folks like you who would be willing to put up
with higher prices and worse selection to avoid patronizing large
corporations...
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If you play Monopoly, and your buddy buys up all the properties (including the
Railroads), what happens? You end up paying for everything. Now take that to
the real world (and many people can see where this is going already--rocket
scientists not needed for this one) if you have one point of purchase, that
company can charge whatever they want. It’s called a monopoly. Further, and
you can see this already when you deal with Home Despot and Wal*Mart, that when
you want things like service or such, it’s just not there. Now I’ll grant you
the idea that many small shops didn’t have this either, but many did, and those
are the shops that get repeat customers. Walmart et al, get repeat customers
only due to the fact that there is no longer anywhere else to go. Of course,
we’re the ones that made this proverbial bed by looking for convenience and
such, and therefore it’s our own fault that ‘mega-corp shopping’ exists in the
first place, but eh, whatreya gonna do.
There are good professionals at the Home Depot that actually know what they’re
talking about, but they are also few and far between. What, they should hire a
professional carpenter to stand in a mall all day and say, “Nails, aisle 4’?
I had a broken a faucet once. It was more of a constant drip drip thing... I go
to the Despot looking for a washer--“Oh we don’t carry those anymore, you will
have to buy a new fixture.” For a washer. I go to the local mom and pop
hardware store (and that was tough to find these days) and they had the washer.
But that’s just one story.
Dave K
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This is
a problem the right has never addressed except to lamely suggest that what
is good for the many corporations is also good for you (which I am positive
is false!).
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I disagree. Most important advances in science, computers, and technology
are being made by large corporations. They are engine of advancement, which
does elevate the standard of living for everyone.
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Corps competing, not corp, having a monopoly--we could use the comparison of the
big auto manufacturers in the early to mid ‘70’s as an example--they all seem to
not care about their products because people needed to buy cars anyway. It
wasn’t until the ‘foreign car market’ started to impact their bottom line that
the ‘big 3’ actually started to put effort into their cars again, just to keep
up.
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I’m not worried about morality and ethics, just basic fairness. You’ve set
up a straw man and ignored the real issue, John -- as usual. There is more
to economics and politics than is dreamt of in your philosophy.
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What is “fair”?
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Good question.
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BTW, my conception of the Great Archive is a cooperative venture that may or
may not have to do with govt. involvement -- really I imagined it would take
a supra-national form in any case. The concept was one of the commons,
which does not belong to any govt. -- it belongs to everyone together.
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I think that is your governmental view as well-- one world, one government.
That is anti-American. But correct me if I’m wrong in that assumption.
JOHN
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Anti-American. I have a problem with those that don’t stop to consider ‘social
justice’. I have no problem with things being ‘anti-american’ if it means that
me and my fellow citizens are healthier, happier and free (not necessarily in
that order).
Dave K
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| (...) Disagree. They compete with each other (Although I do recognize that there are some industries that need to be regulated for the common good). (...) You are being nostalgic. Mom and Pop were inefficient. Walmart brought more variety, more (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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