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Re: Cato Institute: Leave Iraq as soon as possible
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Thu, 26 Jun 2003 14:33:52 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote:
   I give more credence to the notion of WMD being in Iraq, and to the notion of a strong al Quada link...

What’s your evidence that either suspicion is justified? Good minds and serious money have been thrown at both issues and we’ve come up with basically zero. Certainly nothing public, and I can’t see why they’d hide it at this point seeing as how it could cost them the next election. The tail may wag the dog, but not if it doesn’t wag properly in the first place.

   even given the strongest possible read of the allegations, no justification for this war existed.

No argument.

   Once we were in it,though, I wanted to see it won and won decisively,

It’s better than an ongoing quagmire that threatens to suck us back in, that’s for sure. This isn’t Godfather III, Shrub is no Pacino.

   However, now that we won the shooting part, but seem to be badly losing the “peace”...

Of course, that’s because none of the justifications for going to war were true -- certainly very few, and not without tweaks of the various rationales proffered. Things might seem better if you just assume an armed occupation and control of Iraq was the purpose of our little adventure -- then things might look right on schedule to you.

I’m not seeing the liberation of Iraq here. I’m not seeing the freedom to choose a religious despot (if that’s what the Iraqis want, right?). I’m not seeing anybody giving up control of the oil. I’m not seeing the abandonment of a strategic space on the middle east map.

Logically speak, Lar -- if things look bad given a certain set of justifications for what has transpired, shouldn’t you be looking for a set of justifications that make the current state of things seem perfectly reasonable?

Now I’m not saying that such a set of justifications will be the absolute truth, I’m suggesting that there’s a really good chance that those reconsidered justifications will come closer to the truth than what you have been told thus far.

-- Hop-Frog



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  Cato Institute: Leave Iraq as soon as possible
 
Opposing view editorial in today's USA Today (or "Mc Paper" as I prefer to call it, the WSJ was late getting to the hotel today): (URL) from Cato on this topic: (URL) reiterate my position: - This was a war we should not have sought, should not have (...) (21 years ago, 26-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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