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(...) The fact is that *no* amount of evidence would have prevented a French veto. They are too invested. And, to be honest, I don't blame them; they are looking out for what's best for France. I just wish they'd be honest about it. (...) Then why (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I see your point. I guess I'm comfortable with it given that I can't conceive of a situation where the rape victim wouldn't have an opportunity to terminate the pregnancy (ok, there could be situations where somehow the person doesn't (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler writes: I am not denying the following... (...) but you must admit the truth of the following... The 10 non permanent members are essentially random. Let me pick them and I'll give you 10 votes in favour... (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not to mention the entire "American way of life." It can't be sour grapes for me. I hate Gore. During the election, after the primaries were over and all the qualified candidates had been ruled out, I hoped that our esteemed president would (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My intention is not to give the adoptive parents a way out, but to prevent the natural parents an absolute way out. I believe that the parental responsibility transcends legal fabrications. When you bring a child into the world, you owe that (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why would you answer a question that I already know the answer to? So that I would know that you know the answer. It's not such a far-out concept. Lawyers would never dream of asking questions in the courtroom to which they don't already know (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, if I'd chosen 9/11/01, you'd likely have inferred it to be a claim that al Qaeda was responsible for trashing the bill of rights. And it's not sour grapes, by the way--the actions of Jeb and Harris prior to the 2000 election, not to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't want to sound like the ol' slippery slope situation, but re-reading it... there you are... K, with all these shades of grey in the world now, is hard to stand on a soap box an preach about justice and doing the right thing when me and (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Allow me to paraphrase: When will the Left and the UN stop participating in democratic debate and simply accept what the Right says on blind faith with no (or in spite of) evidence? (...) What you don't seem to understand is that even the Left (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe if the date you chose to use had been September 11, 2001, I would have gotten your drift better. Choosing Bush's inaugural date came off to me as more sour grapes. JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why would I presume to answer a question that you presumably already know the answer to? (...) Again, we don't know that he *is* going to release these weapons, either. So where are we now? You're starting to sound much like other folks old (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, if you want to play this game, then the US should have stayed out of WWII. So should Canada. Of course since we are all horrible sinners for our pasts, we might as well all just go commit suicide now. Our treatment of the Native Americans (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) institution I imagined it was... As this crisis continues, I am fast coming to the same conclusions Larry has been posting about where the UN is concerned. Keep up the postings Larry. Dave K (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) First of all, fie on you for misuse of Dave! Larry is the clear master of the usage, so I'd advise you to study his stylings. So says Dave! Second of all: i·ro·ny n. pl. i·ro·nies 1. The use of words to express something different from and (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Got it now. My misteak actually believing Dave! when he said he was over the election a few posts ago...:-) JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sadam Hussein. <snip> (...) Perhaps. But at least they have stopped trying to kill us. JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What, no guess? (...) Uh, we don't know that. (...) Or, he could just attack you for no reason. (...) I don't get your point. (...) Dave, Dave, Dave, David. When will you and the UN and the Left learn-- weapons inspections are a JOKE. Do we (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Interestingly, none of these objections seem to bother other participating countries, and it didn't bother Clinton any either (last time I checked he was a red blooded american also, and hey at least he showed signs of life) -- it bothers Shrub!!! (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Look to the Iraq-Iran war for an example. Nationalism can win out over common sense. Happens all the time. Not to mention they hardly trust the motives of the United States (I don't, so why should the Iraqi people?). (...) It's possible, but (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Err, I think he's referring to the stolen election being the sign that the Bill of Rights are done for (missing since inauguration day) in our country. He's wrong, of course. The Bill of Rights was trampled on way before that. I keep trying to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Stole it from the Indians (and gave them that awful name, too). In Canada the French stole it fom the Indians, and then had the brits steal it from them (who went on to steal the rest of it from the Indians). Oh, and who's self-proclaimed hero (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ?? Do you mean the UN? Seeing the back of that morally relativistic failed talk society as a force in the world is about the only good that will come of this whole mess. (URL) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, makes no sense to folks who consistantly an now effortlessly, ignore their fellow citizen. (...) Yeah, Iraq--poor, decimated, blowed up country sent alotta ter'ists flying planes into your buildings... Iraq--the focal point on the 'war (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) -->Bruce<-- you are finally coming around! ;-) JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why would they risk their lives to save Saddam's ass? (...) Or like an unleashing of a chemical/biological agent. (...) This assertion is patently false. The dirty little secret is that Al Qaeda is the enemy of ALL Muslims. Even if Al Qaeda (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Take the Oreos, Cremewiches are where it's at! And how dare you criticize President Bush during a war! You are failing to support our troops, you traitor tot! America, love it or leave it; impeach Earl Warren; reverse discrimination; liberal (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thus far none have been released, and none would have been released if there was no war. They may have been found by the inspectors, if given the time needed, and even if not--you let a tiger roam around, you may not get attecked--you back him (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Err, it was only 1 of 14 copies commissioned by George Washington, according the to the article. JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We all accept that the election is over (thank you, Papa Bush, Jeb, Katherine, and Dubya), but what Conservatives don't seem to recognize is that Dubya was not elected by a majority. I can accept that we have a president who was appointed to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That statement makes absolutely no sense, but thanks for invoking the popular buzz words of the Left, "disenfranshised" and "hanging chads". I've said it before, I'll say it again, and probably again in the future: The election is over-- move (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree that in many cases the parent would want to help, and a properly raised kid should want to be productive around the house. (...) Ok, it did seem reasonable that the parental obligation mostly ends when the child attains (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Again, it came across my desk (probably written by one of these peace loving pink wearing radicals...), and, as shown by you, there are many things we could possibly discuss--but the concerns raised are concerns that should be (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Some readers may recall with fondness this highpoint of American discourse: (URL) it's no surprise that similar word-scapegoating is still going on: (URL) the French have made similar lexicographic revisions, some of which I list for you (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Q: Who is responsible for killing more MUSLIMS than anyone else in the world? Q: Who is about to order the unleashing of chemical and/or biological weapons on US troops that he always claimed he never had? Q: Who's self-proclaimed hero (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) funny thing is that the *actual* bill of rights has been missing since January 20, 2001. Dave! (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gutless Canadian Lefities as well And Gutless American Lefties who are now disenfranchised completely as to your very own political process, as if hanging chads was bad 'nuff... Have fun storming the castle--your homeland won't ever be the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahem. The he meant the war with Iraq, not the "war" with gutless, European lefties. JOHN (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The difference between Dubya-Dubya III and Desert Storm may well be that in the latter, the Iraqi soldiers knew they were in the wrong in the first place and didn't have any heart in holding Kuwait. This time it is about defending Iraq and we (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The USA has lost this war already. Don't doubt that. See: Europe poll sees US falling from favour (URL) last year the proportion with a favourable view of the US has dropped from 75% to 48% in Britain, 76% to 34% in Italy, 50% to 14% in (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: (warning: the constant use of smileys would get tedious) :-) (...) If them furriners stop a-comin' here, then we woodn't be so crowded-like. (...) You say that as if it were a bad thing. (...) Oily to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think my point has always been that when you put a piece of paper, or a book, say, off the top of my head--the Bible, or any other piece of literature (good or otherwise) above what's good for you or your fellow person on this planet, then (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US budget is ~$350bn. Iraq spends $1.4bn (...) He also said: "Our scientific power has outrun our spiritual power. We have guided missiles and misguided men." Scott A (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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A good article from an expat Brit (now a US citizen) (URL) favorite quote: 'In off-topic.debate a year and a half ago, I was talking to one of my Canadian friends about the United States Constitution. He waved away the Constitution with a laugh. (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My understanding is that "enemy comabatant" is a term coined by the Dubya administration as a convenient way of referring to people that the admin found inconvenient. Since no war has been formally declared, the US can (nominally) claim not to (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Subject: Questions Do you know enough to justify going to war with Iraq? 1. Q: What percentage of the world's population does the U.S. have? A: 6% 2. Q: What percentage of the world's wealth does the U.S. have? A: 50% 3. Q: Which country has the (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ya, you're right. What the US is doing to the terrorism detainees, as you describe above, is shocking and disgusting. Thanks for reminding us. Oh wait, you're talking about the ICC, aren't you? I got confused for a minute (...) It does? Not if (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Define "fair jury". (...) That'd be a première, in UN instances... Anyway, why are you complaining? It's not as if the judges were to speak anything other than English among themselves! :-) (...) Please elaborate. What are the guaranties for (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Does anyone know why? Lets see; no right to fair jury, no right to language translator, no right to legal counsel, and you can be imprisoned in any country the court chooses. This applies to civilians as well as military personel. I don't (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Fredrik, my dear... "Cooperate"?!!! He has tried for and achieved apparent exemption from the long reach of the Hague! Why mince words about it? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's hard for me to think of it as an obligation. I've never met anyone able-bodied who was in a position that precluded them from supporting themselves. Also, wouldn't the parent _want_ to help out? Just like the adult kid would _want_ to be (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By the way, I remember that during his speach, Bush threatened to prosecute Iraqi soldiers for war crimes if they fought against "the coalition" during a forthcoming war. I find this a bit odd, as he does not cooperate with the war crime (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip of a little razzle dazzle** (And I don't care what movie that song shows up in; I'll always remember Joel Grey singing it on The Muppet Show) Here's something likewise keeping in the spirit of upcoming events: ---...--- Dulce Et Decorum (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Ladies and Gentlemen, it's laugh or cry time: (by the rockets red glare...) ---...--- [today's performance only, the part of Billy is played by the President of the United States -- George W. Bush, Jr.!] (Spoken) Roxie, you got nothing to worry (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm, does that never mean that the parent has an obligation to support the child if the child loses his/her job in a layoff after attaining self sufficiency? How is this modified when rape is involved? How do we hold the rapist responsible for (...) (22 years ago, 18-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It just goes to show what happens to you when English is not the tongue of your parents' household... It was bugging me so I looked it up... It's supposed to be "dumb as a sack of hammers" or "dumb as a bag of hammers." Apparently, there is even (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Grave" would be correct in this instance. But hey, they were just Iraqis -- so who cares? What? It's not funny? -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As well, isn't sending them back almost an automatic death sentence? Surely SH will hear about this, and he is known to kill anyone who has a dissenting opinion--these folks who were sent back... I have grave concerns for their lives... Dave K (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the troops are there to free the Iraquis from an evil dictator, why were the Iraquis sent *back*? Is the calendar more important than the publically stated goal of the war??? Me puzzled :-S Pedro (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "International War Crimes Court Is Inaugurated, but Without U.S." (URL) portions: ---...--- Since abrogating the Clinton administration's signature last year, the Bush administration has persuaded 24 countries to sign bilateral agreements with (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) which people voiced concern over a television commercial and the company pulled said commercial off the airwaves. In this commercial a dog, via computer finess, is seen coming out of a persons mouth, signifying 'dog breath' in the morning. (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Fredrik: As an american myself I can assure you that most americans are as dumb as hammers. And about as deft as hammers too in their handling of foreign affairs. I'll just basically quote myself from another thread here... Bush (and Blair) Flatly (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Note to all to read this thread. I'm am not going to contribute this topic any further for reasons of my own sanity. Most of use have already made our opinions known and, if you're like me, stubborn enough to stick to you guns even in the face of (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 100% agreement with those conclusions without regard as to how one reasons to get there. My one caveat would be that we must also keep the peace whilst backing away from these complicated international entanglements. America should be a benign (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just remember you are responsible for your actions and act accordingly. (...) I'm not quite sure what your point is here. That you regard 25% as foolish for thinking such? That you think the 25% actually believe that there is an imminent (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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This was the first *I* had seen of this, but maybe someone's already posted here about it: (URL) Iraqi soldiers have crossed the Kuwait border and tried to surrender to British forces - because they thought the war had already started. "The motley (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Orion: I believe we have both the means and the intelligence (spy-style intelligence) to go after A.Q. (a well-known terrorist organization that claims at least some part in the WTC disaster and that has few, if any, sympathizers) -- but we do not (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It may seem strange, but there are Iraqis with mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, and co-workers too. I expect the vast majority of them mean you no harm; most of the rest are just following orders like (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The bottom line is this: When I joined the Navy six and a half years ago I took an oath. Basically, among other things, it said I would obey the President and other officers appointed above me. Do you renig on an oath simply becuse someone (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) God only knows what the other 58% think! ;) Scott A (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've heard figures like that, and you're absolutely correct that the trend is worrying. Of similar concern is the tendency to group Saddam and al Qaeda together simply because they can be broadly categorized at "Arabs who hate the United (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read in a newspaper the other day that, according to a poll, 42% of the US population thought that the reason for the plans for war against Iraq, was that Iraq was allegely behind the 911 attacks on WTC and Pentagon. If the result from this (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Distant Early Warning. The network of radar bases in Alaska and Canada's far north intended to give the earliest possible terrestrial warning of incoming transpolar missile attack targeted at either the US or Canada. Not the most critical (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) About the "Wag the Dog" issue (one of the movie posters had "Wag the Dog Productions..." When Bubba had his 70 hour war, weren't the Republicans all over that, calling it 'Wag the Dog' (the movie was just released a few months before, iirc), (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks Larry--my apologies for being abrupt. (...) DEW? Most times I love acronyms... (...) To this I agree--throwing our hats into the same ring as those who commit atrocities is the wrong thing to do. But here we sit in the 21st centruy, in (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) of you may already have seen these... (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I've mentioned, I deplore this stupid, unjustified, pre-emptive, and distracting war. Having said that, my impression has been that France, China, and Russia are particularly demonized at least in part because they have presented themselves (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nor do I. Canada has been a staunch friend of the US far more often than not. (...) Here I think you may want to check your recollection better. Who mans the DEW? (...) I'd not be so dismissive so quickly. His arguments are sound, they're just (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) Canada is in this list? This is why I disdain American political hacks (of course I distain Canadian political hacks as well... ;) ). I don't recall Canada ever 'begging' protection from the US. I don't recall Canada ever (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is all too easy to demonise France, China and Russia; but the reality is that most nations are against this folly. As far as I know, there are only two nations where the majority of the population support the looming war: the USA and (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is not, and since 12.09.02[1] there has been even less of a stomach for it. It is everyone’s "job" to bring justice to the world... at the micro and macro level. Invading Iraq is not "justice", nor is bribing other dictators in order to get (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are not the consequences of doing what you're told also severe? Obviously, I don't know anything about what you do for the services, so this is hypothetical. But after enacting butchery on countless innocents, you will have a lifetime to (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:HBr3GH.189p@lugnet.com... (...) There was a fascinating programme on the telly recently with various ex stewards and stewardesses telling stories of their days in the air, and it was (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Orion: It's a vexed issue. If you read some of the other articles you know that the legality of this possible war with Iraq is very much in question. If you are a catholic I think the Pope just gave you the basis for objecting to war on religious (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I thought "I was only following orders" was no excuse? Scott A (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) always agree with Hanson but he's right this time. Even if you think there's a moral obligation (that the US somehow has gotten stuck with ) to right every wrong (which I do not! I go ONLY as far as saying we ought to clean up the messes (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) For my part, I can think of no better way to support our troops than to demand that they not be placed in harm's way for an arbitrary, unjustified war. Dave! (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This guy really touched a nerve with me. As a military member I know that we do what we're told and the consequences of not doing that is severe punishment including possible jail time. The writer of the article above essentially states that (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Recent articles that intrigued me: ---...--- BBC brings the heat: "War with Iraq 'could be illegal'" (URL) Flatly Declares No Connection Between Saddam and al Qaeda: (URL) a joke) Associated Press reports "thousands", while BBC reports "millions" of (...) (22 years ago, 16-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Bruce Schlickbernd" <corsair@schlickbernd.org> wrote in message news:HBp9n1.1x1y@lugnet.com... (...) snipped A cool Budweiser is my first choice a really hot summer day. I wouldn´t call it "beer" though, it is more like "water-with-beerish-taste". (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have seen too many stupidly drunk people (mostly relatives) to even want to bother with alcohol. That and the smell of beer make me nauseous. (...) You know I think 99.9 percent of the time we all agree on the desired result, the (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know I have been thinking about this since I posted my original messages. What do we do about it? I mean Afganistan is a poor example of how to "help." At the same time one must recognize that while Afgans are still living in sub-standard (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fight this war now before our ill-equiped childeren have to do so. While we're sending our kids to dance lessons and soccer practice, they're having their kids bow down to hate americans and teaching pre-teens to fire automatic weapons. I'm (...) (22 years ago, 15-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course it is. The implied threat of force in disputes of this nature is part of the diplomacy. It is not a simplistic, "Do as ah sez or I'll hurt youz real bad," - unless you are incompetent, that is, or simply bent on war ("Violence is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My understanding, though correct me if I'm wrong, is that resistant strains are happening because people stop taking the drug as soon as they start feeling better rather than completing their course of treatment. Chris (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think I'd rephrase. People complain too much that they suffer in the least bit. Hence, to sound parental, suffering is good for you-- it builds character. Basically, suffering tends to make a person less of a rampant complainer. In this (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would never want people to suffer if they didn't have to--I'm not malicious. So here's the catch 22--this guy is suffering due to the child--he obviously feels like he's suffering anyway, so he sets out to 'remedy' his suffering... So should (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Big stick diplomacy is not the same as "diplomacy". Without strength, diplomacy is impotent, as Larry pointed out. One cannot negotiate from a position of weakness. That is why having a strong America is so good for the world-- because of the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But we did blink, if not quite as hard and fast. That's the whole point. Both sides had escalated the confrontation to the point that neither saw a way out, but continuing it was too horrifying for words. Only through diplomacy was the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(I had to bring it up... sorry in advance for the apparent jingoism) So, Bush, Blair and Aznar are to meet in the Lajes base (Açores) next Sunday - funny how *the portuguese* were the last to know it, but that's not my point. The real question is (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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