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Re: This just came across my desk... Iraqi Questions
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:22:56 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> David Koudys wrote:
> > > Q: Who's self-proclaimed hero is Joseph Stalin?
> >
> > What did your (and Canada, I will admit) country do to Native Americans?
> >
> > Sanctimonious BS. "He who is without sin..." Your self proclaimed American
> > heros committed atrocities as well, but you glorify them. A quick example
> > of "Americanisms"--Benedict Arnold--a hero to the British, a very very bad
> > man to the Americans. Is amazing how history gets written.
>
> Ok, if you want to play this game, then the US should have stayed out of
> WWII. So should Canada. Of course since we are all horrible sinners for
> our pasts, we might as well all just go commit suicide now.
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> Our treatment of the Native Americans sucks, unfortunately, from what I
> see, it resulted in the two most stable countries. Hmm, are there any
> reasonably stable countries that haven't done something to eliminate the
> people they took their land from? Are there any countries now existing
> that never (to make it easy: in recorded history) took their land from
> someone else (to go back farther, if one believes in evolution, then all
> our land was taken by force from others).
>
> I'm certainly not totally for this war, but something has to change from
> the way the world is working. I used to feel the UN was a good idea, but
> increasingly, I'm seeing it as meaningless. It really is not an
> effective way for nations to negotiate issues.
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> Frank
I didn't want to sound like the ol' slippery slope situation, but re-reading
it... there you are...
K, with all these shades of grey in the world now, is hard to stand on a
soap box an preach about justice and doing the right thing when me and my
own fellow man have committed their own atrocities in the past.
I do personally get annoyed, though there is no easy solution, to the
restitution to past misdeeds--I didn't take the land away from the Native
Americans, so why am I paying reparations? Sure I understand the issues,
but it is the past ans we should get beyond it and take care of the
situations as they face us today, not something that happened before my
grandfather was even born. I can't give property back to the person it was
"stolen from"--that person is dead, as well as the person who stole it.
That said, todays issues concern me greatly--
The US war (war of the willing...) is justified, in their own little minds,
due to Iraq breaking UN sanctions. I didn't say US sanctions, I didn't say
Dubya sanctions, I said UN sanctions. So the US is going to war *against*
the approval of the UN against a 'foe' who supposedly broke a UN sanction.
Perfect sense.
So the next time Canada has a problem with Iceland over fisheries--hey, the
US'll be there to fight that one too! Thanks for that.
Further, the official justification(s) are:
-Iraq broke 1441 and previous UN sanctions
-Iraq is a threat of US security
-Iraq supports and harbours AQ
Again, if UN sanctions are broken, it's the UN that should do something
about it.
Iraq is probably as big a threat to American Security as New Zealand.
The Iraqi gov't has a disparate stance on almost everything, especially
religion, as AQ
So no point, no point, no point--the lies that the American gov't is putting
out there are just as wrong as the lies that SH is putting out there.
The American gov't has *no* justifiable basis on which to lauch this war on
terror with Iraq.
But again, I say, there's not much we can do about it so...
Have fun storming the castle. (read in the dripping contempt, resigned from
changing the situation)
Dave K
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