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Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
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Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:45:57 GMT
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Orion:
It's a vexed issue. If you read some of the other articles you know that
the legality of this possible war with Iraq is very much in question. If you
are a catholic I think the Pope just gave you the basis for objecting to war
on religious grounds. Onwards...
Please note Terry Jones' (yes, of Monty Python fame -- but I believe he has
a degree in history also) comments here:
http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,910024,00.html
"I appreciate Mr. Bush's argument that because Saddam Hussein has refused to
take any notice of the UN, Mr. Bush should teach him a lesson by dropping a
lot of bombs on him. But now he's telling us that if the UN won't give him
permission to do it, he's jolly well going to drop a lot of bombs on Saddam
anyway. In which case won't Mr. Bush be guilty of the same thing he's
accusing Saddam Hussein of?"
And just in case you think the Bush Cartel is not lying to every man, woman,
child, and military man in the U.S., it is critical that it be understood
that the case made before the U.N. by "Colon" Powell was based on false
information (this was all over the foreign press for weeks before now, BTW
-- but here is a U.S. trusted source):
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/03/14/sprj.irq.documents/index.html
[In a nutshell:] "Intelligence documents that U.S. and British governments
said were strong evidence that Iraq was developing nuclear weapons have been
dismissed as forgeries by U.N. weapons inspectors."
I am personally hard-pressed to believe anything but that this information
was well-known to be false by the intelligence community, people at the
Pentagon, and the frat-boys in the White House. I mean, cmon...!
I want to honor our men in uniform for the service they provide in defending
the homeland. If they are doing something else -- like fighting an illegal
war far, far away from home -- then I am in a bind. I hope you can
distinguish between the love I might bear a military man for doing the
"right thing" as well as my disdain for such a person for doing the
absolutely "wrong thing."
An illustration in a slightly different arena:
Should I thank a policeman for nearly clubbing a man to death in the streets
of Los Angeles? But sure, I would thank the same policeman for rescuing a
cat out of a tree or stopping a robbery in progress.
Perhaps you might be interested in answering the following questions:
1. Why are you in the military?
2. Do you oppose this war?
3. Are you in a command position, or a strictly "follow orders" position?
4. What types of orders do you feel prepared to refuse, if any?
5. What is your stand on "just following orders" knowing that it may not be
a defense in a future war crimes tribunal?
I wish you and your family well, Orion -- beyond these mind-boggling
questions and moral dilemmas. Please understand that I do not find you
personally objectionable in any way. I am questioning a system and behavior
that may be doing great injustice in the world at large. Please also note
that I am not trying to persuade you of anything. I am trying to get your
take on the issues from inside the crucible. I respect a person in your
circumstances too much to claim feeling pity for you, but allow me to
express sympathy with the difficulties with which you are faced.
-- Hop-Frog
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