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(...) My point is that *any* amount of terrorism is unacceptable. So the fact that the number of homicide bombers reduces from say 10 a month to 2 a month is irrelevant-- *any* amount is too many. (...) What I am trying to point out is that as long (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What do you mean? Isn't that the goal? The only goal? Isn't saving lives the whole reason for concern? I hope it's not just about retribution for you. (...) This can only be said if you extend the timeframe infinitely. It's like saying there (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was making a distinction of intent. The IDF does not *target* the civilian population as Hamas does. Yes, innocents are killed, but not intentionally. I find the distinction crucial. But if you want to make comparisons, answer this: why do (...) (22 years ago, 16-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And did you hear of Bush scrapping the 5 billion (?) towards national security? I hope the fearless at ground zero will long remember how Bush shook their hands when the cameras surrounded him, but also how Bush stabbed each and every one of (...) (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I am not a big fan of the Village Voice... or of Dick Armey either for that matter. But one has to secure allies where one can, I guess. This may be old news at this point but I did want to highlight it. (URL) (the link is a reprint of a Hentoff (...) (22 years ago, 14-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"richard marchetti" <blueofnoon@aol.com> wrote in message news:H0s2zn.7z@lugnet.com... (...) basic... (...) OK I agree fully that the navigation is the one item you need to make sure is working throughout. a simple link to a html only version would (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Are you saying Israeli extremists do not murder Palestinians out of pure hate? Are you saying Israeli extremists did not wreck Oslo and Oslo II? (...) I agree they are oppressed. I agree murdering civilians is wrong. I reject the notion that (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lego.com is a site which sells Lego. If the extra 5% of users can pay for the extra development costs and return a decent margin the answer is "YES". It is all about costs and benefits. Scott A (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't see this as being that kind of issue -- we are talking about a simple left navigation device. 60% of one's time? Just do it right the first time and keep reusing the code. Lugnet, Bricklink, eBay, Amazon, bluelight, target, cdnow, etc. (...) (22 years ago, 13-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Wanting and doing are two very different things. Besides, I have tried to make distinctions between Palestinian extremists and the GP all the time. It is my criticism of them that *they* aren't making that distinction more. (...) Those views (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, "They" would say that their attacks are in response to Israeli oppression and murder. Indeed, there is little doubt that the current Intifada started with Sharon’s deliberately provocative trip to Haram al-Sharif. Further, there is (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are those in Israel who want to do the same to the Palestinians. You are using the views of extremists to condemn a whole nation. In the post you responded to I cited two articles. You chose to criticise the one backing dialogue and (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ummm, I guess that would be the "give all the ones you dont want in a good hip & shoulders" voting system 8?) Didn't they use a variant of that technique in chicago many years ago? ROSCO (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would tend to agree.... the only way I would say the ballot would be spoiled would be if it was not clear what was intended. If I voted 1-A, 2-B and 3-A (again) that might be argued to be ambiguous. (or might not) To Ross, I'm not sure (...) (22 years ago, 9-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What's so hard to understand? The guy is not grasping reality: "The Palestinians cannot drive us away - they have long acknowledged our existence. This is simply not true, as I cited. They have been ready to make peace with us; it is we who (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not understanding your comments here, John. Here is a guy who despite what must be tremendous personal loss and grief is STILL seeking peace. Rather than look for fault on the other side, he is introspecting and finding flaws with the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Because the Palestinians are not one-minded. Hamas, for instance, has publically declared their desire to not end their fight until Israel is no longer. Peace is dangerous when one side's idea of it is the elimination of the other side. When I (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In what way John? Personally, I think what he is trying to do is laudable: (URL) is peace so dangerous in your view? Scott A (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This guy is in *serious* denial. His thinking is more dangerous to Israel than Hamas itself. -John (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is this a reference to the Australian eBay auction offering a "Monkey Knife Fight"? At last, a sporting event I'd pay to see! [For the humor impaired: this is a joke!] -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Israel is the regional superpower which is backed by the only superpower left. As such, Israel can defend just about any border it wishes. Israel has expansionist tendencies. It is building homes on land which does not belong to it for (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On the bright side, they'd (we'd) be talking past each other in other groups, so at least it's confined to OT.Debate... Dave! (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There was a scene from 'Sports Night'... A group of religious zealots called in a bomb threat to the local radio station because they didn't like the morning show DJ doing an imitation of Jesus. The reason they didn't like the imitation? The (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It seems to me that, after a tiny bit of clarification, the disagreement is over where the boundry line should be drawn. If Scott A is bugging you, just ignore his comments. (...) This seems like an extreme overreaction -- I have read the (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Surely it is actually still a vote until that candidate is chucked out. It is no different to only writing in the first choice and leaving the rest blank. This method is the way my University (and I think all UK Universities) elect Sabbatical (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The statement I responded to was unequivocal. You can't really expect me to read all your posts on this issue just to be sure you mean what you are saying? I am sorry this is bothering you, but I think you need to look at my reply a little (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That sounds very similar to the preferential system used in Aust. lower house federal elections. I'd be interested in knowing the difference(s). ROSCO (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, perish the thought, voters actually being asked to think! Grin. (...) That's a spoiled ballot anyway, no different than now. (...) Good! (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok, I guess I'm done with this debate. Sorry for intruding. If people aren't going to bother reading the whole debate it isn't worthwhile. Scott - it's clear that you just like to jump on the one point in a debate which bugs you, and can't be (...) (22 years ago, 8-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) as well as most other parties, except the democratic party of Alaska. It's unfortunate that they think that they have the most to lose when it comes to the appearance of viable third parties. (...) I'm just glad that vanilla has the majority (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Frank, You can't really expect me to read all your posts on this issue just to be sure you mean what you are saying? Asking for Israel to be disestablished is an extreme view held by a minority. (...) The UN borders are not the pre-67 borders (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you bothered to read my posts, you would realize that I support turning Israelis out of the illegal settlements. What I was commenting on above is that the solution does not include turning Israelis out of the UN recognized borders, though (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In a perfect world it would work. But I doubt people would not readily accept that type of voting because you have to think of how you fill out the ballot. Also, you still end up with situations of people purposely spoiling ballots, i.e. (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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See (URL) more info on a ballot proposal on the Alaska Primary that will do much to give people more choice at less expense. The Alaska LP supports this which is how I heard about it. Instant Runoff means that when you vote you also give second, (...) (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the Israeli people *do* need to be turned out of their homes - just like they were in Sinai. Israel needs to respect international law and pull back its people to the pre-67 borders. Scott A (22 years ago, 7-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I care who started it (1). What I do care about are the following points: - That we acknowledge that the Jewish people had cause to trust that no existing government would protect their rights. - That we acknowledge that the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'd have to disagree with this. At least in the US, my perception is that HMO's and PPO's and C3P0's are more concerned with making a profit than practicing good medicine. Greedy corporations are driving up the cost of medicine. Steve (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Representative? Dunno. I doubt it. I sure hope not! Dominant? They seem to be. The Tennessee constitution, for example, purportedly bars atheists from holding public office. (URL) have not validated that source. (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is not a snipe(?). Am I not supporting his argument? I can't ever remember agreeing not to "participate in the same threads" as Larry. Further, I am pretty sure he has posted in the same threads as me – he is welcome to. (...) Are John's (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ::sigh:: Okay, I'll take the bait -- although I am almost sure to regret it somehow... Yes, I think Dawkins has it right. But I would make the only slightly more subtle point that true religious freedom also includes the right to believe in (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Everything I have read suggests that those in the area had no idea this guy was there. (...) Dropping bombs on residential areas is like pouring petrol on to flames. It will not reduce the level of conflict in the longer-term. How many people (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It seems that there is an agreement between Larry and Scott to not participate in the same threads. Whether this is totally informal, or even fictional, is irrelevent. It's been nice having no sniping between Scott and Larry. Thanks to both of you (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) because (...) I think it amounts to the same thing. I guess I'd prefer clinical detachment when discussing these issues. (...) Well, I don't think there's anything exactly wrong with that, as is. If the commoners are going to shield the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I admit it, I was not impressed with the implied link between rationality, "success", religion and creationism. However, over the weekend I read an item by Richard Dawkins from "Free Inquiry" (see: www.secularhumanism.org). This is the part (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That sounds like quite a convincing case, perhaps they should have arrested him and put him on trial rather than murder women kids to get him? (...) What "risks" do Israeli F16 pilots face as they drop bombs on residential areas? Equipment (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) A good starting point would be to review the accounts of Israeli armed forces personal and government reports which come to light as the Israeli 30-year discloser law brings reveals them. Analysis of these is very slowly revealing the truth. (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would have said "experience" rather than "bias"... After they dropped a bomb on a residential area on the last month, Ariel Sharon congratulated his forces on the strike and he described it as "a great success". That says it all. Scott A (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh, come come now. If we're going to go with sound bites, let's at least use an accurate one, eh?... here's one miles and miles closer to the truth: "basically, the government of California tried to repeal the law of supply and demand, with (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would agree that there probably was "nautiness" on the part of the (some) Israelis. I have no doubt that there was "nautiness" on the part of the (some) Palestinians. I certainly agree that the (many) Palestinians are inclined to believe (...) (22 years ago, 6-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they want & sues for $xxxM to drive Dr Grigg out of business. The problem is not (necessarily) with the doctors! And trying to get insurance against this is what is driving medical costs up. ROSCO (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Maybe because the international court is something no sane nation should support "as is." The lack of rights to a fair jury trial, language translator, and legal counsel are the 3 biggest reasons to NOT support the international court. It (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) anything (...) (the (...) with (...) wrong. (...) Enron did that after the government imposed price caps. When demand exceeds supply and the price is fixed eliminating the ability to reduce demand by raising prices, guess what happens. That (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The real worry at the moment is that no-brain greedy Texan clown that happens to run the show in Washington. For some strange reason american presidents feel they're president of the world. If George Dubya decides Ariel Sharon is the goody and (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There were a variety of contributing factors, but basically Enron engaged in good-old-fashioned price manipulation. Bruce (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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[snip] (...) it, (...) The reason no one (i.e. current political leaders everywhere) is doing anything is really quite simple. To do so would require them to admit that what they have been doing (or not doing) up till now was wrong. I do not know (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi all, This is almost two weeks old at this point, but I just got around to it and thought it was worth pointing out. I strongly feel that this is how our first-level medical support ought to work. (URL) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Welcome back! (...) I fully expect that there was no massacre in Jenin, but how much do we individuals really know? And how much does the average Palestinian know? It seems possible (though unlikely) there there was some naughtyness going on (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I often wonder what Palestinians must think of the UN when resolution after resolution is passed condemning Israel's actions and nothing is done. (...) That is the extremist view. Extremists exist on both sides. There are many in Israel who (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Well, I've stayed out of here for a while, but something I just read has compelled me to speak out. This statement from CNN ( (URL) ): (...) If Israeli citizens are killed because the Palestinians don't like the results of a UN investigation, then I (...) (22 years ago, 5-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Selective logging is the way of the future (well it was the way of the past as well). Many logging companies are using heavy -lift helicopters to bring trees out of the forest rather than dragging them out on skid trails. I've seen video of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point is that they're not trying to clear the whole forest; they're just trying to remove certain trees. With environmental legislation affecting how corporations use natural resources, minimal disturbance might be an attractive (...) (22 years ago, 4-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OMGoodness--I agree with Scott A! Yeah, instead of identifying the problematic issues that cause anti-US sentiment, let's get a good PR campaign to 'spin' it. I think that some of the anti-US sentiment is *un*justified, but there are some (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. This reminds me of when the Conservatives lost power in '97. Rather than recognise their problems, they simply claimed that voters misunderstood their agenda and tried to make the result go away. That very attitude was part of their (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. This reminds me of when the Conservatives lost power in '97. Rather than recognise their problems, they simply claimed that voters misunderstood their agenda and tried to make the result go away. That very attitude was part of their (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and Sweden is just between. I'm sorry for bringing this old thread back to life, but I'd just like to point out that following the UN nomination of Norway's place on the top of the "quality of life" index, the Independet reporter Paul (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No thanks, I'm looking at Florida, where I can buy a current house, approx 1 acre lot, 2500-3000+ sq ft, 4 BR, and anywhere from 2-4 car garage (some detached, some not) for $175-250K. And no state income tax ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE (...) (22 years ago, 1-Aug-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) insane. (...) $400K, and (...) Move to Saline MI For illustrative purposes, only, not for sale 1650 SqFt 4 BR 2 Bath Full LEGO storage area (basement) It's a ranch 2-1/2 Car garage and plenty of street parking (no meters) Best public schools (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Fredrik Glöckner" <fredrigl@math.uio.no> wrote in message news:qrdptx4e5t8.fsf....uio.no... (...) Well she nearly has as many pairs of shoes :-) Just how many do women need?!!?? She did try it once before. I was on a project in Dallas for 4 (...) (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Unless she has the budget of Imelda Marcos, I don't think it will make much of a difference! ;-) Fredrik (22 years ago, 31-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(URL) interesting contrast in the BBC version (URL) the BBC report voices some valid reasons why their is anti-US feeling around the world, even in Europe and the UK, the CNN version seems to report that it is the rest of the world who simply (...) (22 years ago, 30-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I would have to agree. I had never seen anything posted about the mouse before, and I thought it was pretty cool. I would rather have something posted 40 times and me see it than have it posted once and me not see it at all. Now I do agree (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Oh come now. Not everyone reads every group. Don't stifle the flow of information. I, for one, am interested in all cool Lego related things, and I don't care how many times people tell me. (...) (22 years ago, 26-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's pretty sketchy. My question was essentially rhetorical. I didn't expect to get any kind of reply at all -- the fact that I got replies from some of the usual persons makes those replying apologists (the negative connotation this word (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmm. I didn't intend it to be a statement of your character - I've seen enough of your posts to know you're intelligent enough to see it for exactly what it was - "a famous trick question". I was highlighting, admittedly in an oblique way, (...) (22 years ago, 24-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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The only GOOD mustards are BROWN, OK? ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, Sun Microsystems | iPlanet Support - (URL) Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (22 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.lego.direct, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OMGoodness-- You wold get along famously with my girlfriend. She calls me up the other night and starts talking about cob homes and alternative housing. Wow, twice in as few weeks. Dave K. (22 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Humanure etc. (was: My one minute recap of the recent debate wreck...)
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(...) This is a really good book. It has funny stuff as well as lots of really good tips on building your composting toilet and how to manage the compost heap and avoid unpleasant odors. The truth is that we blow huge amounts of energy to purify (...) (22 years ago, 22-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since 70% of the world's fresh water is locked up as ice in Antarctica, I presume the 40% is refering to liquid water. Just break me off a chunk the size of Connecticut and let's make a really big Margarita... Bruce ("Let's blow this 'berg," (...) (22 years ago, 20-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've been inclining towards some sort of 'Gaia' system, wherein the earth is the mother of all things living. I mean, in our daily lives, microbes on mars or concepts of aliens on another planet are fun do discuss and theorize, but when I (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | My one minute recap of the recent debate wreck...
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Norse God of Thunder = Thor dogpoop = Cheech and Chong Black Madonna = Paganism is alive and well in the Roman Catholic Church. Green Fairies = Absinthe Aristotle = High Priest of rational inquiry FWIW, and although I realize no one cares and it is (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | 4-6 year human mating cycle (was Re: slight)
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(...) Yeah, I don't have ready access to any of my old cultural or physical anthropology standbys so all I can do is assert some stuff from memory. The linked theories here are those concerning "serial monogamy", "sperm wars", and "love as chemical (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Supertramp (was: Be careful ....)
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(...) My favorite Fleetwood Mac era was when Bob Welch was with them. Must have been that phase of my childhood I spent in a bit of a fog. :-) I never cared too much for Bob Welch solo or FM before or after that. But then my favorite single FM song (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) A! Elbereth Gilthoniel! silivren penna miriel o menel aglar elenath, Gilthoniel, A! Elbereth! We still remember, we who dwell In this far land beneath the trees The starlight on the Western Seas. (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Then you'd get along famously with my friend Andrew, who appreciates Fleetwood Mac more than any other band. He always gets bummed 'cause FM get these concert tours started but before they reach any venue close to here, they split up (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [snip] (...) hehe! And I like how they manage to sneak in a bit of Churchill's speech too 8?) But I gotta say, I rank Fleetwood Mac (various incarnations) above Supertramp - there's just more of their songs that I like! (And I got to see MF + (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Supertramp (was: Be careful ....)
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(...) I was 9 when I bought 'Crime of the Century' -- LP!! (Still have it--I actually have 2 milk crates full of records and don't own a record player) I missed the 'Famous Last Words...' concert tour by 5 minutes--I was off timing and scorekeeping (...) (22 years ago, 19-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's only Logical what Song my favorite would have to be.... Maggie C. (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I kinda like "Fool's overture" and "Babaji" (can you guess my fave album?) ROSCO (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, can't be--the guy lived. Most likely, he's still got a chance at propogation. Steve (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) Home again, home again, Jiggedty jig. Bruce Still round the corner there may wait, A new road or a seret gate; And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I Shall take the hidden paths that run West of the Moon, East of (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) Start passing out the cigars. I may not know all the principles that Aristotle laid out, but if it's based on the concept that" Quoteth Hop-Frog " (...) " summed up into " (...) " I'm on the same page. Whether we disagree that I have always (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) I am not sure how to take this statement. Are you accepting Aristotlean methods as the chief utility of scientific thought and all rational inquiry, or are you somehow thinking that you go from "I don't know" to asserting the existence of your (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) "Take the long way home..." (my favourite song from my favourite group...) (...) Then consider it grasped, my friend. I made a statement that equated science as a god, and for that, I apologize. If I say that science is not a god, can we agree (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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I'm not sure of the point of the selective recap, but I'll let the others answer for themselves. (...) "Once there was a way, to get back home...." You are the one equating science and god. Yes, I know, you are staring at your screen and saying, "I (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Oops, talk about getting distracted at work--my God exists *for me*, whether you believe it or not--was a stupid omission, not a malicious one. Dave K. (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) <snip> People 'make gods' to explain things. I think that's a pretty much historically accurate statement. Not *all* people 'make up' gods--some folks don't have any gods, and (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(This is a very interesting thread to follow, imo :) something isn't right here: (...) no, C1 will only follow if P1 said: P1: Science can explain only the physical universe. Which is not the claim that was made, I believe. I'm not sure what would (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) This was kind of a sub-point that you took the wrong way. Instead of discussing the stuff that stems from that, I'd like to restate slightly. It seems when you claim that to some that science is a god _because_ those people assert that science (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> (...) That about sums it up for me, as well. Nicely said. Dave K. (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Be careful what you ask for in case you actually get it (was: slight)
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(...) And I mention to you, Dave! right now, that questioning 'the reasoning for the assertion' instead of the 'reasons' for it, makes my point *even* more clear-- If I were to ask: Is black, black? I have my reasons for saying that this should be (...) (22 years ago, 18-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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