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Re: Is the Palestinian Cause Dead? The Latest Terror Attacks
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Mon, 5 Aug 2002 13:17:44 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes:
> Well, I've stayed out of here for a while, but something I just read has
> compelled me to speak out.
Welcome back!
> > It [ Hammas ] also said Sunday's attack was carried
> > out to show its displeasure with results of
> > a U.N.-sponsored investigation into the
> > Israeli incursion into the Jenin refugee
> > camp in April.
>
> If Israeli citizens are killed because the Palestinians don't like the
> results of a UN investigation, then I fear they have no intention of
> accepting any resolution towards peace (short of elimination of Israel).
I fully expect that there was no massacre in Jenin, but how much do
we individuals really know? And how much does the average Palestinian know?
It seems possible (though unlikely) there there was some naughtyness going on
and there is a coverup. What if they know something we don't? Further, what
if we know something they don't? What if the Palestinians are more likely to
believe the story about the Israeli devils murdering their kin en masse because
of their personal bias?
I think the notion that "they have no intention of accepting any resolution
towards peace" is probably an oversimplification. I think the Palestinians and
the Israelis need to be guided into seeing one another as valuable human beings
before any reasonable chance for peace will exist. As long as the two groups
vilify one another they'll keep their horns locked.
> I was also very disappointed by the bombing of the university, a
> university whose presence in the Middle East pre-dates the formation of
> Israel. What this tells me is that not only do the Palestinians (or at
> least Hammas) not want Israel to be in the ME, they don't want ANY Jews
> (even those who were living in the ME prior to the formation of Israel).
Or at least one particualr guy.
> I honestly think it is time for those countries who wish to see peace,
> and accept that BOTH Palestinians and Israelis must be part of that
> peace plan, to enter the Palestinian territory and enforce peace within
> that territory (including enforcement against Israeli actions). The PA
> is showing itself completely incapable of controlling the actions of
> it's people.
I agree. And since the mandate for the existence of Israel came from the UN,
it ought to be UN forces doing the policing. And they ought to be occupying
all of Palestine, not just what the Israeli government currently acknowledges.
> I do not find Israel blameless either, but unless the world is prepared
> to re-settle the Israeli people someplace else, and to allow them to
> create a self governing place for themselves, I see no solution. The
> same is true of the Palestinians, however, they clearly need help in
> creating that society.
Well, I still think that the notion of "homeland" is a divisive construct that
should not be encouraged, but seeing that those two groups insist on such a
thing, I guess I agree. Their areas should be demarcated clearly and the world
should come down hard on any attacks against the sovereignty of either. But it
really is a shame that they can't build a democracy that fills both lands and
is inclusive of both groups.
Maybe would should trade some of our land for theirs and lease the holy sites
to Disney for redevelopment.
> I am very troubled by what is going on, and I can see both sides desire
> and need for their own home. Sadly, the world blew it 70 years ago for
> the Jewish people, and basically flipped them the bird, and now we are
> paying the price for that. To get out of this mess, we need to not flip
> the Palestinians the bird, and at the same time acknowledge the plight
> of the Jewish people.
Why is it that this seems so easy and obvious when we're just talking about it,
but no one is doing it?
Chris
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