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Re: I resign from the LPRV committee
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lugnet.admin.general
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Fri, 22 Apr 2005 17:02:55 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, David Eaton wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Kelly McKiernan wrote:
<snip>
> > * The LPRV committee's work is/was vital. The assumption that it was a rubber
> > stamp committee was not based on input from the LTT, or any communication
> > from LTT to LPRV.
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> Well, that's not quite true. I think the truth is that the LTT said some things
> that stated that the purpose of the LPRV was basically to be proofreaders. Fix
> spelling, grammar, and maybe clarity and structure of the document. Don't
> discuss the policies, don't discuss past events, don't discuss specific admins.
> But later, after we started discussing those very things, the LTT tried to make
> it clear that it really would listen to those inputs. I don't think that
> openness was conveyed as best as possible, but you're right, I don't think the
> LTT *actually* saw the LPRV as a group of yes-men (or, yes-women as the case may
> be).
This is a huge point. Proofreaders. My perception of the group was that we
were not able to agree or disagree with anything in the document, rather we were
to simply point out syntax and grammar mistakes.
Given that I openly don't trust some on the LTT, who's to say later then that
upon completion of the proofread, the LTT wouldn't have an incident just like
the one with Larry, Lenny and Chris and simply say "It was approved by the
LPRV".
It was *never* made clear to me that other input was welcome.
If there was ever a softening of the LTT's position, I was never made aware of
it. Given that Larry was the conduit of communication, and before the LPRV was
announced, somehow, magically Larry's emails never were sent to me. If Larry
chose to soften the position and email it through a faulty email portal, am I to
blame?
Larry attempted to pin the faulty email on me by telling me I needed to check my
spam protection mechanism. For security reasons, I always view my email through
Yahoo's web page service. I have whatever SPAM protection mechanism that is the
default provided by Yahoo. I asked Larry to check his end, and have not heard
back.
Given that I was never informed about a softening of position, the committee was
a rubber stamp, whether it was intended or not.
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> > * One theme that is represented in Kevin's post is that LUGNET staff members
> > hold all power, and members hold none. In fact, the administration has very
> > little real effect on day-to-day actions within LUGNET. We can't close
> > topics, we can't edit posts, we can't remove posts. The only recourse
> > currently available (by self-imposed decision) is to temporarily disallow
> > posting from an individual who has flagrantly flouted the ToU.
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> Heh, so, in effect, Kevin's correct? Staff holds all the power, there's just not
> much of it? I think the problem is that the power to disable posting rights is
> pretty considerable. And since (as you correctly state) it really IS your only
> power, I've been concerned that it may also be used as a response to unrelated
> issues. But I'll discuss that further on the list (actually, I guess I already
> did)
Well said Dave.
Kevin
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| In lugnet.admin.general, Kevin L. Clague wrote: <snip> (...) Larry has provided me with convincing evidence that the email breakdown from his work to me on yahoo was not his doing. I will ask this though, given that you knew the email conduit was (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) Another personal preference: don't call it a committee. Treat it casually. "We asked some people if they wouldn't mind giving us some feedback". Calling it a committee implies that it's a group with power and responsibility. It could possibly (...) (20 years ago, 22-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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