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Re: I resign from the LPRV committee
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Thu, 21 Apr 2005 03:03:34 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.general, Leonard Hoffman wrote:
> In lugnet.admin.general, Orion Pobursky wrote:
> > Hi Lenny,
> >
> > You're a great guy. When I met you for the first time 2 years ago you seemed to
> > be an intelligent person with well thought out ideas. However, is this the best
> > response you can come up with?
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> No. I was very upset by Kevin's post - specifically how he characterized me
> (aka Jacko-dmin), and the other admins. I went through five different drafts.
> I don't think this was the best responce possible, but I wanted to do something
> - rather than keep writing drafts until I got something perfect.
Understandable in light of the situation. However, heat of the moment replies
have typically gotten me in trouble in the past (one word: draconian) which is
why I waited to reply to Kevin's post. I think this is good advice for all
Lugnet members.
> > Kevin made some very relevant and poignant
> > observations of this process, which I might add is closed to the public eye, and
> > the best reply is a personal attack? Isn't this exactly what we are trying to
> > prevent?
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> He made >some< relevant observations. He also made some ghastly incorrect
> observations, and some observations that specifically try to change the truth.
> It is this sort of thing that is difficult for Admins to deal with - a few good
> points mixed with a bunch of bad ones.
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> I don't think I was attacking Kevin personally. I think the most attacking
> thing I said was saying that he's trying to be a martyr. Honestly, when I read
> the post, that was the feeling I got.
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> My intent wasn't to attack Kevin anymore than he was attacking me or the other
> Admins. The LPRV Committee is not, nor was it ever, a rubber stamp committee.
> Neither I, nor Larry, oppressed anyone for personal reasons. Kevin stepped down
> from the LPRV for his own reasons, not because anyone tried to chase him away or
> any other such nonsense.
> > I think if more than one person has resigned from this commitee then the process
> > may already be broken. The amount of spotlights that Kevin's post has generated
> > should tell you something about the frustrations of the general membership
> > regarding the fact that this process is not transparent nor will the new rules
> > have an open public discussion period before being instituted.
>
> Not every process should be transparent - or else the Admins would do all of
> their discussion in .admin.general and not on a private LT list. We do it that
> way because we have high expectations for Admins - and also, we feel that
> private discussion is better discussion than 100% public discussion.
Nor am I saying that it should be 100% public discussion. I do, however, feel
that at least some period of public discussion is warrented *before* the new
rules are implemented.
> If the committee were transparent.. then what is the purpose of the committee?
> Why not just release the documents to all of Lugnet and the world and ask for
> input? I'd think it would weaken those documents.
This is what I'm asking for. The impression that I got for the announce post
and from offline discussion was that this would not be the case. That the new
policy would be decided in committee and then implemented without further input.
I feel that this would be a very bad idea.
> Orion, a question, would you be interested in a story of the same events that
> Kevin describes, but from my point of view? Would that have been a better
> responce?
Yes actually I would like to hear to whole story from you and others involved.
I'd like to se a version with no spin but since, so far, the only 2 willing to
share the story are from opposing sides, I don't think this is possible.
-Orion
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| (...) Being a History major, I can tell you that there is no such thing as a 'no spin story.' Every narrative carries with it the prejudices and biases of the story teller - every story has a point-of-view. In the West, we have worked very hard (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) No. I was very upset by Kevin's post - specifically how he characterized me (aka Jacko-dmin), and the other admins. I went through five different drafts. I don't think this was the best responce possible, but I wanted to do something - rather (...) (20 years ago, 21-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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