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Hello Larry, hello everybody, I would suggest to create a new group lugnet.announce.moc. Most of the postings some people find unappropriate for any of the other lugnet.announce.* groups could probably fit there ... Greetings Horst (25 years ago, 6-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Allan Bedford writes: <mostly well considered and not disagreed to by me so I snipped it> except for this: (...) No, it *isn't* just my opinion... it seems to be the opinion of the person who wrote the charter. And he ought (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think this is where we may have gotten off track Larry. I *suspect* you may be very interested in having the charter(s) updated as a way of addressing your pet peeve(s). And this is should have been understood by me. It wasn't and I (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Would having a link in the nntp headers to the groups charter (as a 'X-' line) be of any help? It'd allow you to go to any post and click on it and get the charter. Since the Web already has a equivalent (the link in corner thing) so it could (...) (25 years ago, 5-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This was a good suggestion, and needs to be expanded to the web interface: On the page for posting a message, there could be either the entire text of the charter for the group being posted/replied to, or at least a link to it. To cover (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) heh, heard ya the first time, and I like the idea... I'll see if I can find time to code this... :) Dan (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, unless the charter was revised in a later message. I made this suggestion earlier, but I think it got lost in the noise so I'll repeat it: what if the confirmation e-mail contained text asking the user to make sure the message complies (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'll take Todd's interpretation over yours, thanks. Hence my cite. You may want to read it. Here it is again for your convenience: (...) But it is a different question from whether some posts to .announce are currently in violation of the (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hmm. You deleted my point rather than answer it... funny that. (...) I'm not so sure. It is all a matter of interpretation. ;) Scott A (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It's broke, unless the charter is changed. (URL) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well that depends on how much "extra precedence" is given. That point aside, perhaps a cynic would admit that the fact that more than half of the last 100 messages have been highlight/spotlighted is quite impressive. Is any other group better? (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) yes, it's autogenerated, from the database's idea of what the charter is for that group. Dan (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> From: (URL) precedence is given to announcements and lower to administravia, market, and off-topic messages. " 8 out of 10 proves only that the algorithm is working as designed, and boosting (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) It appears that you are more cynical than I. However, even a cynic has to admit that 8/10 is a good strike rate... Scott A (who is not one bit cynical) (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Right. The algorithm for determining the entries into top stories automatically gives heavier weight to stuff posted into .announce... a fine example of the law of unintended consequences, subclass "you get what you measure for"... ++Lar (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) (should have said "as a stopgap") (...) Good idea. (...) Agreed. but as as stopgap, seems better than nothing. It's still not clear to me if the text that appears at the top is the group specific text from the original charter, from the latest (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Messages posted to a .announce group show up in the "top stories" much more quickly than mssages not in an .announce group. My cynical nature suggests to me that this is at least partly the reason it is posted to (inappropriately) so often. (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <snip> it is. The charter for each newsgroup is in the top left corner of the page for that newsgroup. Which makes Larry's link redundant, although it does prove that charter messages are not modified to reflect the updated charter for a (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.faq)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GpErx5.HCE@lugnet.com... (...) NNTP I (...) ago, it (...) in a (...) with a (...) then (...) Scott A (...) it (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ... (...) I agree. (...) I disagree. Rather than each curator adding a link, the charter link should be part of the page. At the bottom of the page, there are already a link to 'Terms of Use'. 'Newsgoup Charter' would be a natural next to (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) GREAT idea. (...) Well, many groups have a blurb at the top which is the group specific part of the charter. But providing a link to the whole thing is a good idea too, and I've done that for trains and trains.org. I suggest other curators (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Charters are always post #1. One thing to remember is that while Lugnet appears to be an NNTP server with an e-mail interface and a very nifty web interface, it's really a huge data base, with NNTP, e-mail, and web interfaces. Requesting post (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I honestly can't remember if this is true or not once the charter got revised... LUGNET in general has a policy that posts never are modified, ever, but I forget if that policy applies to charters. I *thought* BST has had charter revisions but (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't use the NNTP interface, but isn't the first message in each group it's charter? So if your newsreader supports it, you could just look at the first message, and see the charter? Also, if you're trying to look up the charter, I don't (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) If this is a problem, and I'm not sure it is, I'm sure Todd could have the server automatically re-post the charter every X days or N posts. A quick look at .announce shows that the group consistently receives highlighted posts: (URL) on this, (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Because of revisions, the most current charter is not always post #1 but with a news reader you should be able to sort by topic. Locate message #1 and then sort to see if others show up with the same topic heading. With a news reader this is (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Is it always in message #1? What if the charter has been revised at some point later on? It's easy in my newsreader (emacs+gnus) to jump to message #1, or any message in the group I'm reading if I know its number, but I didn't think that was (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Cool LUGNET MOC of the Week (was: lugnet.announce is not for MOCs)
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(...) An addendum to this idea of mine (I can't shake it...it's a good idea, so it's rattling around in my head...): If there were a lugnet.build.announce, everyone with a new MOC of any genré would post their MOC announcement there and in their (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) You asked how one is supposed to determine things. I answered. No critcism of your first post to .announce was intended, I've said (twice or three times now) that it fits the charter as it's written. I think the charter needs changing but (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Is it true that there's no easy way? When I was viewing lugnet via NNTP I had my newsreader set to never discard posts (that was a long time ago, it took a lot less space than it would now) so I could go look at post #1 in a group without too (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) A thought I have is to have a lugnet._.announce for each theme and probably some of the other areas also where folks could announce new MOCs or other newsworthy items related to that theme. It would then provide an easy place to go find just (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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"Matthew Gerber" <matthew@digitaliris.com> wrote in message news:GpDzIt.Ltw@lugnet.com... (...) fairly (...) content (...) across (...) made (...) Hey, I'm for it! -Tim (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) My apologies for making any assumptions. I wondered if the mail had perhaps bounced at the other end without generating an error at my end. (...) As mentioned (twice or three times now) I did, most certainly, read the charter for that group. I (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well, lugnet.build can be rather high volume at times, and announcements can get lost in the noise. It's nice to have a place where MOCs can be announced with followups directed elsewhere. I'd like to see it under lugnet.announce.{moc,build} (...) (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't know what the ratios are as to who uses the web vs. nntp interfaces, but for people using nntp there is no easy way to access the charter of a newsgroup. --Bill. (25 years ago, 4-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) If you're adding comments to the message as you add the other newsgroup(s), then I think it's reasonable. But to just crosspost it for the sake of spreading the word is in violation of the spirit of the lugnet.lego.* restriction. Whether you (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Not that my opinion counts for anything (since I haven't found the time to build a darn thing lately), but if I may, I would like to chime in with my support for the idea of lugnet.build.announce for strictly LUGNET-wide MOC announcements, for (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Maybe your mail is being bounced silently on the way in or out? I sent you a complaint via email when you posted the second time but got no reply, leading me to believe you never saw it or your reply never made it back to me. (...) Read the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes. Or maybe just lugnet.build... the announce is a bit redundant, perhaps. (...) It's not the low volume per se, it's the pithiness. Posts that appear there are indeed breaking news. When I want breaking news I would like to review .announce (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) IMHO, this would be the better choice, to meld well with the current architecture. .moc.announce is counter-intuitive with what's currently in place. May I suggest that if an .announce.moc group is set up that it does not boost posts into the (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Well, lugnet.bulid.announce would be more appropriate in that case. No need to create a new top-level hierarchy. Do the brickshelf and LSAHS subgroups bother you in the web interface? Probably not, but only because of their volume of traffic. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) If someone feels that a post in a .lego group has relevance to a particular theme or group (whether it be train or castle or what-have-you), why shouldn't they cross-post it? If that someone happens to be a LEGO employee without posting (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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"Ben Ellermann" <ben_289@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:GpDuBw.50H@lugnet.com... (snipped newsgroup comments, see what Larry just wrote) (...) can (...) Hey, that's ok. We don't expect new people to be up to snuff on all the norms around here. (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Me too. Note please that this doesn't necessarily have to be Todd and Suz. (or Steve or Jen or Dan) There are other people who would be willing to take some of the load if empowered to do so. As James Brown said, administration is not (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I thought of a similar idea yesterday (lugnet.moc)after reading about this problem. Lugnet.announce.moc would be great because it would allow us to post all new MOC's together and in their respective newsgroups. Then a person who visits lugnet (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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"William R Ward" <bill@wards.net> wrote in message news:m2advvcf1p.fsf@...rds.net... (...) I agree. I was reading the 'top 1000 noisemakers' thread, one of them referenced back to a post where Todd compiled a list of posters in the .cad groups. It (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Lugnet has gotten by just fine without moderators, but that's because historically the admin(s) have been there to step in and say "don't do that" and even delete messages if needed. If it is expected that admins will continue to play a less (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) 1. Don't repost articles to other groups at behest of others (even if they ask nicely). Let them do it. If someone doesn't have posting privileges to some group, it's for a reason, and leave it at that. In lugnet.lego.direct, Jake McKee wrote: (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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"Todd Lehman" <todd@lugnet.com> wrote in message news:GpDp3A.9B9@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) of (...) on (...) groups (...) .announce. I'm not so sure if I'd want a moderated group, if 'moderation' means 'approved by a live person before getting (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That's getting pretty bad. Grrrrr. (...) People shouldn't be doing this. lugnet.announce was never intended for announcements of new (especially updates to) MOCs...otherwise the charter would say so. Perhaps it needs to be moderated. The (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Agreed. Julie (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'll pipe up here and agree with that. I've never understood why people post MOCs to .announce. That's all I have to say about that. ~Grand Admiral Muffin Head -- Mark's Lego Creations (URL) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <snip> And this highlights the problem with restricting LD folk to one ghetto... we just got two crossposts of the same article. No way to avoid it... Jason and I did it at the same time. (Had one of us waited to see if the other was doing it, (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) And in all seriousness, I want to assure you that I read this charter before making both of my recent posts. Despite the current state of LUGNET, I have no desire to attempt to skirt charters just for the sake of promoting a website. (...) Now (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Here's the charter of .announce lugnet.announce– General-interest announcements to the community (breaking news about products, releases, contests, events, and sites, etc.); also, important LUGNET information (new features, services, scheduled (...) (25 years ago, 3-Jan-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.admin.general)
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"Suzanne D. Rich" <suz@baseplate.com> wrote in message news:B6BCCC32-FFA7-1...ate.com... (...) Thanks. Still, strange, because it never arrived for him. I'll have to double check with the ISP that runs zacktron.com that set up his address....could (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kenneth Wright writes: <snip> I think you went off half cocked. My reply to Cary was thanking him for stepping up and doing what needed to be done. (and lamenting that sometimes people give grief about it) I suspect he (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Tim, brandon@zacktron.com was sent his new password on Fri Dec 28 at 9:49am -Suz LUGNET Admin (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Todd and Suz - My best friend, Brandon Grifford, has been waiting to hear from you for almost a week regarding a password situation. He has not yet gotten a reply, and he has emailed you twice. His former email address (brandonpreaches@hotmail.com) (...) (25 years ago, 2-Jan-02, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ... (...) Here's a request of Admin: Please add market.brickshops to the LUGNET main page NewsGroup Shortcuts. Since there is limited available real estate, I recommend also removing the less-frequented groups. Activity on market.jambalaya is (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Hi Suzanne and/or Todd, (I just emailed this in but it occurred to me someone may see it sooner here and others could chime in if they've seen the same thing.) I just noticed that when I bring up a new/reply message page that my name and email are (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This is where I goofed: I started from the LUGNET main page (www.lugnet.com), looking for information regarding BrickBay's server being down. Scrolling down, under MARKET, I saw "Buy/Sell" as one of only 6 choices, and it seemed to make the (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Kenneth Wright writes: ... (...) This is odd. What is the URL for the page that shows only 6 sub-catagories? When I go to: (URL) I see nine catagories. Since .brickshops, .appraisal and .theory are relatively new, is it (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't think anyone was being, or needed to be, apologetic. It seemed more of a rare case of being quite polite, especially when the offending parties clearly did not intentionally, and quite understandably, misdirect their posts. (...) (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hi Bert - Thanks for the thoughtful comments. You're right, there will be the same social issues here as there are in any other community. One of the things that makes (made, because it doesn't seem to be happening now) LUGNET great was the (...) (25 years ago, 31-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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(...) but somebody just needs to step up and do it, sometimes... and shouldn't have to apologise for doing it, either. (...) I agree. They clearly belong there. (however this FUT went somewhere else :-) ) (...) And note that several weeks after (...) (25 years ago, 27-Dec-01, to lugnet.market.brickshops, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) ...and also please understand that no one is asking for moderated content. That would be a huge step in the wrong direction, IMHO, and totally against the spirit of Lugnet. What I (and others, I believe) want is for someone on the admin team (...) (25 years ago, 26-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Please note: there has been *no* intention/proposal to introduce moderators, or moderated newsgroups, on LUGNET. And, as I understand Suzanne's and Todd's opinions, there never will be. Kyle, I'm very interested to learn more about the dangers (...) (25 years ago, 26-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Thanks for doing so Shiri ! :) -H. (25 years ago, 26-Dec-01, to lugnet.faq, lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <snipped - but see the earlier message for some interesting thoughts> (...) More brick, less hand-wringing about community. The dangers generated by thoughtful, well-intentioned moderaters, curates and the like are much more alarming than the (...) (25 years ago, 25-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Eduardo is out of line (was: Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms")
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Tim, I'm choping your note and reassembling because I think it's important... (...) I believe I detect a double standard in your rhetoric. Is it "pinning" something on you to identify the fault in your thinking? (...) For me, this isn't really about (...) (25 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Long ago, right after membership first opened, I sent a note to one of Todd's email addresses asking that 'Chris Weeks' be changed to 'Christopher Weeks' at the top of my member page. It never changed and I didn't pursue it, but if this thread (...) (25 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.faq, lugnet.admin.general)
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Okay, I am just catching up on this reading now. First of all, I was surprised by Tim's post for a few reasons. On one hand, I had no idea Tim felt this way. His opinion is pretty radical and different than any criticism I've heard about LUGNET so (...) (25 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) <snip> You're right, I've wondered the same thing... how would someone who got married or otherwise change their name or status, make this change on their membership page? Since your question has gone unanswered for 2 weeks, I'm XP'ing it over (...) (25 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.faq, lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: for the eyes of Suz (Was Re: For the Eyes of Alfred Speredelozzi
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(...) Hi all, I am just another outside member of the community, contributing with naive reflections and ignorant posts. I like to write and usually regret my posts when they are ignored. In one respect though, I feel well versed, and that respect (...) (25 years ago, 23-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Eduardo is out of line (was: Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms")
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:Gor26t.98p@lugnet.com... (...) So, do you advocate a 'speech code' system for LUGNET? Careful, read this first: (URL) suggested reading - anything by Larry Elder. Look at it this way. I (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Hmmm...mmm, Well I can't say I agree totally with everything being said here; I know I haven't been here as long as most of you, but I'll reply nonetheless. I still view LUGNET as the center of the lego universe, I come here everyday, read lot's, (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here's one more. I'd be willing to dedicate at least two hours a day to curate lugnet.space as well as other tangential groups, and to coordinate my efforts with other curators. James' approach is excellent; which in a nutshell is to (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Eduardo is out of line (was: Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms")
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(...) Only for expressing the opinion, I think. (...) But then why do you support the mandate against profanity? I've assumed the goal of these rules is to make LUGNET a place where adults can do their thing and still be a place that parents are (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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For what it's worth, I don't thing Eduardo means any harm at all. I think he is just plain clueless. Afterall, it is not easy for a person with a different cultural and language background to understand what is acceptable and what is not. For (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Gentlemen, I'm with you all on this one. Kevin put it all in perspective saying "how can one volunteer if there's no response when one tries?". Twice now I've asked for a pair of curatorships (.build.mecha and .org.us.lugola) in an attempt to (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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I am so sorry, I made a mistake, my homepage is (URL) legochina.virtulave.net Sorry again! Zhengrong (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Zhengrong, You do some great work, but you may want to check your web links! I don't get to your RCX Controlled LEGO Train Projects, I get redirected to www_pay2k_com/portal! And if you use your back button to get back to LUGNET you get (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.trains, lugnet.admin.general)
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"James Brown" <galliard@shades-of-night.com> wrote in message news:Gops00.KAD@lugnet.com... (...) response. That's ok. I thought that the post in and of itself would invoke replies, but I was mistaken. At least I know Larry and I aren't alone in (...) (25 years ago, 22-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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James Brown wrote in message ... (...) to. (...) response. Moi aussi. There are things happening which really deserve an admin response. I also volunteered weeks ago to curate lugnet.town, both in the curators newsgroup and by email to Suz. No (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Hi Tim, If I'd realized you were looking for a community response, I would have stepped up sooner; I too am disappointed in the lack of administrative response. Personally, I suspect that Suz is approaching burnout WRT to Lugnet; It's a very (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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After a couple days, I'm surprised, if not sad, this hasn't been replied to. By the admins or by people in the community who feel the same way. Lar and I have had a decent offline discussion on this, compared notes, and are definitely on the same (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Eduardo is out of line (was: Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms")
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(...) I think there's a fine line here and IIRC the ToS is deliberately ambiguous on it. users are enjoined (by the discussion group terms) as follows: " 4. (do not) Post or transmit any unlawful, threatening, abusive, libelous, defamatory, obscene, (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) What does a gay-minifig look like??? Saskia (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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"Mark Sandlin" <sandlin@nwlink.com> wrote in message news:sandlin-2012012...ink.com... (...) His (...) can (...) opinion (...) So you can justify punishing someone for an opinion? I wouldn't approve of any racial slur being used, but that doesn't (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Really? What if I were to use the "N" word? It's just an opinion, right? I'm sure racist or religious slurs wouldn't go over well, and likewise, neither should slurs about someone's sexual orientation. It's all hate speech. ~Grand Admiral (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Despite having previously been labled a homophobe myself, I second this. Why not make gay characters? Heck, I might even purchase or create a couple of gay characters myself just to include in a story concept if I were so inclined to do so. (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Homophobia is wrong in my view. Very wrong and very misguided. But expressing one's opinion about it, even if it is hateful, isn't directly against the ToS, I don't think. (...) I agree, because his speech is a strong and clear cut violation (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Re: Is Eduardo is out of line? (was: Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms")
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(...) It's called "homophobia" because bigotry is fear-based. Hating homosexuals is just as wrong as hating black people or Jews. XFUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate --Bill. (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"William R Ward" <bill@wards.net> wrote in message news:m2ofktbfq0.fsf_...rds.net... (...) I think he should be repirmanded as well - only for swearing though. His response was very distasteful and out of line, though I don't think he can or should (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Why shouldn't they make gay character's? I don't think you should tell people what to do or not to do. Don't like it, don't look at it. (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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I do object to the swearing, but I agree that people should not make LEGO minifigs into gay characters. Anyway, just because someone doesn't like gay minifigs doesn't mean that they're homophobic. Instead of homophobia, they could be homoodious (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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| | Eduardo is out of line (was: Re: The Lego Group will attempt to stop some "brickfilms")
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First swearing, and now homophobia. I strongly feel that Señor Harte should be officially reprimanded, at a minimum... --Bill. (...) (25 years ago, 21-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I'll second this thought as well. This is the second time this subject has come up with his name attached. This is supposed to be a family forum... -Duane (...) (25 years ago, 20-Dec-01, to lugnet.admin.general)
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