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(...) I am comfortable with being a world saviour in the sense that we set a good example to the rest of the world on how to do things and how be free (imperfect, but better than, say, Syria), but not in the sense of being the world's policeman. We (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It is a surprise to me: (URL) A (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This really is rich coming from you, the USA may well be viewed as a world saviour by many - but my understanding is that "world saviour" is not a roll you are happy with. Or have events this week changed that? (...) Rather than giving them (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have already solved that problem: (URL) you have not answered my question. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But now the picture is far more complicated. If we climb down now and change our foreign policy suddenly, won't this send the tacit signal that terrorism is the best way to get what you want? For now, I agree with Larry. Find the nests of (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) the innocent shouldn't be condemned, only the guilty. (...) Israel is the only country in the middle east that stands for freedom and democracy - why is it a suprise to you, then, that the US supports it? Also, the only time Israel "attacked" (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Let me say that things happen for a reason, whether we agree or like it or not. I am outraged by this tragedy and I hope that justice is served. I also hope we don't too become indiscriminate murderers now that we've sadly been given a taste of such (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well said, Richard. In the worst possible way, we have become the victims of indiscriminate murder whereas, as you noted, America (specifically government and corporate entities) had undeniably been perpetrators or collaborators elsewhere. I (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Ebay should ban it for good and if they don't I'm never buying there again. I think it's just plain sick! Any person wishing to buy, sell, trade and/or somehow turn a profit from debris soaked with the blood of their countrymen is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I was on a diet earlier this year, my NLSO would make me drive to the shops and buy her some hot chips. The hot chip aroma would linger in the car for hours. pete.w (finding possible reasons for failure of diet) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:GJLyB5.1oE@lugnet.com... (...) 1. Assassination squads. Are small hit teams more likely to get though to the precise target? Don't admit you do it either, so you can't create a (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is being proposed is not Air safety but Defense against forign (or possibly domestic) attack. Defending the people is a primary function of any governnment even under the most libertarian models. Lester (Who almost always agrees with (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It appears to me that your post is nothing but a troll for a bunch of angry replies... but I may be wrong. (...) I'm glad you have broken your own moratorium Larry, I have been waiting to ask you if you still think removing federal involvement in (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Neither could I resist making the somewhat sad statement in the first place. The irony was that I lived near a toffee factory which emitted a saliva inducing sickly sweet aroma at times when I couldn't actually buy toffee (or Mars Bars) in the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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To the people who think that the subject line isn't the right way to view what needs to be done now, I would invite you to suggest another course of action. Ignoring the problem isn't going to work. Appeasement isn't going to work. Sanctions aren't (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Dave I too feel your fustration. I have a bit of vigilante in me. I have spoke in front of City Hall a number of times when I felt it was necc. to get my opinion out and make my voice heard. In a situation like this we are helpless in that regard. (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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bin Laden declared war on the US some time ago. We were fools for not paying attention. But that's what we do, we ignore small pests until they get out of hand... (...) Correct. (...) Correct. It is indeed a wake up call. (...) You're full of it (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you had the toffee, would you need the Mars Bar :) (sorry, couldn't resist!) Psi (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) heh, for all practical purposes, I have :) only reason I have a copy is that it was a present, and it does make a good reference book, esp for .debate. (...) It is my opinion that the land of Israel doesn't belong to the Israelis because the (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just in case you didn't notice "they" (terrorists) just made Martyrs out of thousands of people on 09/11/2001. That was as much a mistake for them as it was for Japan to attack Pearl Harbor 12/07/1941. We have Martyrs too and we will take (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) We gave peace a chance. Then two commercial airliners hit the twin WTC buildings. If you are suggesting we forget about it and "give peace a chance", hoping peace prevails and nothing happens again...thats downright confusing to me. We are not (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) [Snip: bible interpretation equating the WTC as symbol of greed] (...) Wow, normally I try to stay away from .debate, but I feel compelled to answer this one. Tore, I'm sorry about your personal situation, but you need to take a step back, (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm all for shops opening whenever they feel like it, the local city centre Tesco here has just started opening 24 hours a day and it is an extremely useful facility, especially for those of us who sometimes work odd hours. A chat with one of (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Have a look at this from Sky News: (URL) It seems that the insurance only covered loss of one tower, $1.2bn, compared to total value of $5bn. I wonder though, if Bush gets his way and it is declared an 'act of war', if they even get that much? I (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The limiting of the response limits the cost of committing these acts acceptable. Make the cost unacceptable, and the people willing to commit them will decrease, either through their own choices, or by the choices of their neighbors who don't (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Bin Laden was a part of the Mujahedin guerilla, fighting the Soviet troops as they tried to invade Afghanistan. Key members of the Mujahedin guerilla where trained by the CIA, and rather successfully, too. They did hold off the Soviet troops (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Israel has been doing the exact thing the US has been, which is not working - limited responce. They bomb a street, Israel attacks a command post. They shoot at a schoolbus, Israel takes out a training camp. It's the _limiting_ of that (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And which government do you think has funded them and trained them? Which country's special forces trained Bin Laden in military and guerilla tactics? Which country trained the Iraqi troops? Which nation provides the most funds to the IRA? (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, and how exactly do we give peace a chance? What does that mean, just keep waving our fingers at these groups and the governments that fund, train, harbor, and protect them? Take it on the chin again and ask one government or another to (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While it may be true that _portions_ of the footage were not in celebration of the attacks, the majority of it most definitely was. I have a friend and co-worker who is visiting family in Jordan. He managed to get an e-mail through and said (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to think that you are tired, emotionally distraught, and simply not thinking straight -- because otherwise that is the scariest foreign policy I have ever seen publically expressed. You know, I am not at all happy about what has (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gee, I hate to go all warm and fuzzy on you... ...but how about we give peace a chance? <3 -- Hop-Frog (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Really? I guess we might as well throw this book of lies away then... =) BTW, these are not mere descriptions -- you know, silly stuff like where a whale swallows a man and delivers him to another country. It is my understanding that Joshua is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure. Create more martyrs. Great Idea. This sounds like the Israeli model to deal with terrorists. Does it work for them? Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) exactly. well said. Dan (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hold on there - the fact that the bible describes violence doesn't in any way mean that either the Jewish or the Christian/Catholic religions condone such actions. Yes, there are many stories of war in the bible, but one of the 10 commendmends (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) it does? saying that we need to kill someone who _says_ they want to kill us, and _have_actually_ acted so in the past is the same as killing someone just because they prey/act differently? Not in my mind. (...) uh, where did he even mention (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Richard, what specifically are the other ideas? You are being vague. What are you expecting to postpone? This is a life and death matter. There will be another attack. (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I'm going into Manhattan now. I've been working most of the night on my little part of restoring normalcy. I'm seething mad this morning. Who is my anger directed against? It's not directed at my Muslim co-workers, whom I expect to have lunch with, (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Years ago, the U.S. and other members of the world community sat on their hands as the Nazis performed atrocities before the world. Behind the scenes, many of our corporate "persons" profited from the blood and suffering of others (recently (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I generally agreed with what you said Scott, so I am just picking at the details here... I think you meant that "no religion SHOULD condone what happened on Tuesday." Sadly, many faiths do suborn the use of violence to an almost epic scale -- (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Brave words. But they are words I agree with. It is time for everyone in the west to see and understand the full implications of our "foreign policy". I hope it is a gross exaggeration, but I heard last night that the sanctions in Iraq had (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is tough without knowing who did it. But, I would say that the number one weapon should be education. As I have said before, if the group who did this use religion as a justification, the link between their religion and their act must be (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, me too. I stand with my countrymen who also stand for peace. If we succumb to reacting from our passions rather than acting out of reason and love for our fellows then we have lost everything already. If our brothers and sisters on this (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ack. Ooops. Methinks that says "it's time for bed." Cross out that first "tortured logic." Maybe I should have said "redundancy?" Or maybe "redundancy?" best LFB (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, best to work on that spelling. It can lead to some nasty errors. (...) It's neither reasoned nor coherent, so I definitely don't. It sounds like rather self-absorbed anti-American essentialization that's based on tortured logic, willful (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Correction: Terrorists are *made.* They're not born that way. It takes a *lot* of perceived injustice for someone to cross that line. If we want to stop terrorism, we have two choices: understanding and the rule of law or militarization and (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. I just can't let this go. Its absolutely absurd to say things like this! (...) This sounds pretty similar to "No jews=supreme Aryan state" to me. (...) Who are you threatening to "take down"? Some random muslim perhaps? Or maybe the whole (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tore Eriksson writes: <snip> Genitals, not gentiles. I doubt that many people on this forum will appreciate your statement, let alone it's timing. Setting aside all the Biblical references, in plain terms our nation is (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In the middle of my summer vacation, I heard that the American company that has just recently purchased the production plant I'm working in, has decided to shut it down. 508 people will lose their jobs, and I am of course one of them. At the same (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You mean like when I wrote that when less hostile opportunities to improve the situation are present, they are a better choice? My statements were not all inclusive. I can see how you might, looking to be annoyed, take my stance to be what (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) However, your logic does not allow for "under some circumstances" but rather points to ALL circumstances. Following on from your earlier example of you, your children, a bus driver and an avalanche, whether you think Tuesday's events are (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I take this with a grain of salt (no link to the original article), but interesting none-the-less. (URL) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Vietnam, Korea. Many soldiers from many countries fought & died in these places to help America in a cause many (including Americans) believed was unnecessary. ROSCO (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is my wish as well. Please, folks, think of our URL. Your words will live forever on the LEGO Users Group Network website. All bigger principles aside, I'd hate to think that a LU may become offended and turn away. If you must debate (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The same. The fact that I am 40 miles from the site of the World Trade Center, and have spent more of the past 36 hours crying than a grown man is "supposed" to, doesn't change the logic one bit. I still hold that under some circumstances (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not a catch. He's referring to 1906--although, to be honest, that's not much different functionally from mentioning the Chicago Fire. That would definitely be one of those naive points. It's definitely a 1973 production, though. I found more (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) P.S. I also should have said thank you to Tore and the others who DID indeed hold off on the debates over the attacks yesterday and last night...I appreciate it, and I'm sure many others do too...Thank you... Matt (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It's passed 01:00 AM here in Sweden, and I'd better try to get some sleep. Now that I have a green light, I am too tired to compose an understandable answer. :o) For tonight, I only repeat what I said before: No, I don't have the answer to this. All (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sure, I realize that. And discarded that chance. In 1906 WHO ON EARTH could have responded to tha SF earthquake with help (in useful time, that is)??? If he was talking about that quake, he is far more innocent than I thought... Besides, was (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Surely you realize that San Francisco has had earthquakes before 1989? Also, technically the 1989 quake wasn't centered in San Francisco, but in Loma Prieta, certainly close enough to be felt. (URL) could have been referring to the 1906 quake, (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) To Tore and all of the others either already debating or chomping at the bit to do so, No one is stopping the debate, that much is obvious. Neither can we or should we. It's against the LUGNET ToU and human nature. Yesterday I asked that the (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.loc.pt, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: (snipped) (...) Eh eh, I wrote just about the same concerning Airbus (I did not read your post until i posted mine...). There is a catch, though: The earthquake. It was 5 years after the writer's (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sounds like it to me.Still has many good points. (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, first of all, he doesn't know about European aerospace company Airbus, which produces airliners (and is in fact comparable to Boeing in its output). He dwells on 1950s and 1960s events, and doesn't even mention later events, even when (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.loc.pt, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Agreed. I personally deal with it by discussing it. Staying silent is the worst thing to do at this point, IMO. Just try not to drop to personal attacks, or pigeonholing entire races/nationalities/beliefs into a box and condemning all in that group. (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <lots of snippage> (...) disposal (...) What say you now, sir? Alan (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So explain - try to give me a good reason why we should simply ignore these terrorists and hope they go away. I seriously doubt you will come up with a good enough reason. They aren't going away, that's obvious, or this wouldn't have happened. (...) (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hey I got an idea... How about we allow people to have their debates, as long as they keep it in off-topic.debate. People who are offended by debates can refrain from reading this newsgroup. Some of us deal with things by debating and thinking about (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In no way am I right or may have the right to write this, but when you watch people in pain and know there isn't much you can do, all you can say is... (the following is a request, nothing else, it's not to offend or blame anyone at all)... After (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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It is utterly frustrating to read opinions that I strongly disagree with, and not to be allowed to explain and evolve my point of view. /Tore (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Somebody already mentioned this (maybe one of the Gerber news posts), eBay has banned all WTC and Pentagon related auctions until at least October. -Rob. (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope eBay does something about this upright standing person's feedback, but they probably won't. After all, they must pander to the sellers (even if they are doing the right thing by canceling the auctions). Let us pray that eBay will find (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand, Lindsay :) I speak from the heart and I am outraged by all of this! But, in my heart and mind, I cannot help but think the blame is two-fold and things don't just happen out of the blue, though I deplore such hatred and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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There is no way to break the circle of violence short of annihilating the fanatics. Ignoring them and not fighting back does not seem to slow their attacks down at all. If NOT fighting them doesn't stop their attacks (as has been shown to date), (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) After reading his stuff I checked on the auctions of a few of these disgusting, opportunistic profiteers. Happily, a great many of them, found under a search of "World Trade Center", appear to have been canceled or withdrawn. Dave! (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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How can any American, or even decent human being, cash in on the deaths of his fellow man?! I feel sick to my stomach. How can anyone conceive of selling fragments of the WTC as "memorabillia" when it's soaked with the blood of the murdered?!!!!! (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The Syrian, Egyptian and Saudi Arabian broadcast news made note that portions of the footage shown on American TV were actually unrelated to the attacks. You must take everything with a grain of salt. I don't doubt that there were Palestinians (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Check this guy out (especially go look at feedback he's left): (URL) I emailed him and he's a rather nice guy, just a very angry one. At least he's got the courage of his convictions. best LFB XFUT-> .debate, just in case (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.market.auction, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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TAKE THIS OUT OF .GENERAL! PLEASE! if you want to snarl at each other, do it in .debate where it belongs Kevin ---...--- Craftsman Lego Kits & Custom models: (URL) Lego parts store: (URL) Lego auctions: (URL) Guild of Bricksmiths: (URL) Lego Web (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well said, although I can't agree with the timing of bringing up the last two paragraphs--it's still far too emotional a time to start dragging the political roots of terrorism into it. But I agree 100% with the first part of this *and* its (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This whole letter strikes me as a political letter. I disagree with so many points that I think I must cool off before replying. I think the whole political debate is unappropriate at this hour and (as was commented to me before) is (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I didn't actually hear anyone advocate attacking civilians. I guess I only assume when various gov officials say war, they mean war on terror, on the terrorists. I may be wrong, of course... (...) if any group would to claim responsibility for (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Let me just say that we, as Americans, should not be so sheepish to jump on the war bandwagon. War against whom? How in Heaven's name will killing other civilians ever make things better in the world? That is not justice, that is revenge and no one (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) A reasonable person would have to ask, how would this question had been perceived if it had been directed to whoever perpetrated yesterdays events before they happened. Either they were commiting (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This assumes that some will be allowed to "follow." (...) I agree to a point. If you're willing to rule out mass murder as an option, then you are spot on. Your whole point about disconnecting religion (religion shared by many) from these (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.general, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) This is great but how do you suggest we "tackle the philosophical legitimacy" of whomever did this? And how do you suggest we ensure that events such as these never happen again without all out (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If the USA acts with the brutality that many seem to expect/want more martyrs will be created and the events of yesterday may well be repeated at some point in the future by those who follow. Only tackling the apparent philosophical legitimacy (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Eric Kingsley" <kingsley@nelug.org> wrote in message news:GJK1F4.7tD@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) prevent (...) with (...) terrorism (...) the (...) die. (...) war to (...) you (...) of us (...) the US (...) it (...) and it (...) (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How do you strike back "morally"? Obviously people like this are not going to just give up. (...) Make no mistake, this is war. The only way to deal with terrorists is with terror. That may seem harsh but if we want to do something against (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Interesting quote from CNN online: Russian President Vladimir Putin also sent a telegram to Bush. "Dear George," he wrote, "such an inhuman act must not go unpunished." I'm sure that the US is going to strike back at the terrorist (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) PERSONAL: Just got back from Lamaze class...thank you Larry...I really don't want to see this kind of debate on LUGNET right now...how about we look into pulling together right now, instead of attempting to play pundit here in a forum where it (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm a seasoned traveler, as soon as it became clear that there was a chance that flights might start delaying, I got a rental car as a precaution via landline to our agency. 5 min after that NWA was on the PA saying that the airport was (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He rented a car and drove to Indy. (URL) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nod, I'm sorry I replied in the first place. There are people still alive in there! CNN just showed a video of the first plane smashing into the building. very sad. :( (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In my afternoon class my only absence was a student of Middle Eastern background. Perhaps it was only coincidence, but it is quite possible he didn't feel secure about coming to school today. I too hope people keep their heads about this and (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I also support this suggestion. In other news: Larry--where are you right now? Are you camped out at the airport or did you find other accomodations? Dave! (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes: <snip> You KNOW I have lots to say about this but let's take Matt G's advice and let it sit for a few days. Whatever we have to say about it isn't going to change what the real world decides to do in (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that (...) a (...) believe (...) the (...) have (...) life (...) great (...) When (...) [1]? (...) 'winning' has a positive sound to it and I think nothing about this situation or the actions that must be taken is positive. I'm not sure what (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When people fight wars they kill people. It's very sad, especially when you consider that most of these people don't consider themselves 'evil' but are convinced that they are right (it's possible that they were 'mis-guided' by their leaders). (...) (23 years ago, 12-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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