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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> bin Laden declared war on the US some time ago. We were fools for not paying
> attention. But that's what we do, we ignore small pests until they get out
> of hand...
>
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Daniel Jassim writes:
>
> > What happened yesterday was a murderous and destructive act of hatred
> > against our nation.
>
> Correct.
>
> > But it should also be considered a wake up call to our
> > government
>
> Correct. It is indeed a wake up call.
>
> > for it's unarguable role in fostering aggression and hatred
> > around the world, and within our own borders as with Oklahoma City.
>
> You're full of it here, though. It's extremely arguable.
>
> I'm dismayed, and even a little sickened, but not surprised, that you'd use
> any opportunity to parrot your usual tripe. The US, flaws and all, is more
> of a world saviour than a world oppressor. It is time you realised that.
This really is rich coming from you, the USA may well be viewed as a world
saviour by many - but my understanding is that "world saviour" is not a roll
you are happy with. Or have events this week changed that?
> > The
> > innocent shouldn't be condemned and suffer and die for the sins of the
> > leadership.
>
> Agreed. And when we disassemble Afghanistan and Iraq and Libya and N. Korea
> to root out the harborers of this evil, we should be sure not to make
> innocents suffer needlessly. But the guys dancing in the street in glee over
> this aren't innocents.
>
> > We should seriously examine why someone, or some group, would
> > feel compelled to carry out such a horrible act.
>
> Because they are not human. No other explanation is needed. No other
> explanation can be accepted.
>
> They're not the only ones, mind you, but I say the race will be better off
> without their genes. No grievance, no mission from Allah, no moral
> justification, can justify this. None.
>
> > There are several lessons
> > to be learned here, the main one is that killing innocent men, women and
> > children is wrong.
>
> In what way is this a lesson? Are you saying that you didn't already know
> this? If you didn't, I pity you. If you did know this, it's not a lesson.
>
> > Most important, let our comments rest on peace and
> > justice, not war and revenge.
>
> How about war and justice?
>
> I support the notion of the civilized nations of the world going to the
> Talibans and Libyas of the world and saying "turn them all over now or you
> will be disassembled and another government put in place." and then carrying
> it out. This attack cost us hundreds of billions of dollars. I'll pay my
> share of trillions if that's what it takes to drastically reduce this
> scourge. The time for measured responses is over. Massive overwhelming force
> is the appropriate response to the initiators of force.
>
> Do it in a way that minimises innocent civilians. Drop leaflets first saying
> "now is the time to rise up against the tyrants. If you don't, stand back
> out of the way. If you support your misguided terrorist harboring government
> even now, after this, prepare to face the consequences, you're no longer an
> innocent.".
>
> bin Laden has said he's declared war on the US. Fine. We should have took
> him at his word back then, but better late than never. It matters not
> whether he was behind this or not, we'll figure it out either way. But he's
> behind enough other stuff that I am content to see him and his pack of rabid
> dogs brought to justice for those acts regardless. And while we're at it,
> let's take care of some of the other terrorists as well.
>
> The US is not the world's policeman. But we can and should defend our shores
> when they are attacked, wherever in the world that takes us.
>
> The US is not perfect, and we have things we should fix. Lots of them. But
> it sickens me to hear people say "too bad about the deaths, you had it
> coming" and sickens me even worse to see people handing out candy to
> celebrate death and destruction, whether they were victims or not. They
> deserve our scorn, not our sympathy.
Rather than giving them either, you should first understand what has lead
them down the path that put them in that frame of mind. Compare their
actions to the mood during WW2 when the allies were killing 50,000
civilians on a good night. Compare that to the general mood when we started
bombing Iraq. You are reacting to TV pictures rather than understanding what
is happening.
Scott A
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| (...) I am comfortable with being a world saviour in the sense that we set a good example to the rest of the world on how to do things and how be free (imperfect, but better than, say, Syria), but not in the sense of being the world's policeman. We (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| bin Laden declared war on the US some time ago. We were fools for not paying attention. But that's what we do, we ignore small pests until they get out of hand... (...) Correct. (...) Correct. It is indeed a wake up call. (...) You're full of it (...) (23 years ago, 13-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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